ep. 602 - The Legend of the Holy Grail

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episode six O 2, The Legend of
the Holy Grail.

Now, I could have also added to
that title the beginning of The

Legend of the Holy Grail.
Look, I'm not a religious

person.
This is literally the beginning

of my research into it.
There's things about what I

thought I knew The Grail was
that I had no idea and I had a

lot of misconceptions and I
thought there was a lot more

concrete information than there
really is.

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It was suggested to me last year

and I think I'm 90% sure is what
is my friend Todd who sent me a

text message and said you should
look into the Holy Grail in

America.
I thought that's pretty cool and

I'm going to do that.
I'll look into that.

So since then I've been looking
here and there and I've been

reading up on the Internet and
watching some videos and watched

a couple episodes of AI think it
was a History Channel TV show.

It was a little hokey, very made
for TV.

And of course they had someone
who was related to Prince of

Wales or somebody who had the
Grail and came over the United

States.
And yeah, it's amazing how you

find those people when you're
making a TV show.

But those stories, those TV
shows and those videos I

watched, they really made me
wonder, what exactly are people

looking for?
What is the Holy Grail?

It's not just one thing.
And we're.

I'm gonna point that out here.
So I started with the most

simple question.
In that line of questions, the

simplest, the most basic one, is
what is a grail?

Not what is the holy What just
what's a grail?

What's an unholy grail?
What's just a normal grail?

So I looked it up online and the
definition I got was this Grail

is a noun in medieval legend.
The cup or platter used by Jesus

at the Last Supper and in which
Joseph of Arimathea received

Christ's blood at the cross.
Quests were undertaken by the

medieval Knights are described
in versions of the Arthurian

legends written from the early
13th century onward.

Or it could also be a thing that
is eagerly or earnestly pursued

or sought after.
And one of the examples they

give is a cure for the common
cold is the medical Holy Grail.

Now, the origin of the word
comes from Old French growl and

from Medieval Latin gridalis,
both of which mean dish.

But there's always a but that is
just one form that the Holy

Grail takes throughout all these
stories.

Sometimes it's food related,
right?

It's a serving tray, or a dish,
or a platter, or a goblet, or a

chalice.
Sometimes it's a weapon.

It's a Lance or sword or spear.
It could be a stone or a skull

or a book, or a cauldron.
Or it could be the Sangraal, the

royal blood, or the direct
descendants of Jesus.

Depending on the story, it could
be any of these things.

So what are people looking for
now?

The Grail in it's most the the
way most people think of the

Grail.
It's a legendary sacred vessel

with ties to the chalice of the
Eucharist or the dish of the

possible lamb.
I think I'm saying that it's a

central theme in medieval
romance literature.

Its conception varies across
texts, its nature vaguely

defined or sometimes completely
unexplained.

As seen in Christian's Percival
poem, the word grail is derived,

like I said, from Gradulus or
growl, the meaning dish in

medieval Latin, suggesting A
vessel for serving food.

The the literary tradition
surrounding the Grail is

intertwined with the stories of
Percival and King Arthur,

although it was originally
independent from those.

The Grail romances, primarily
composed between 1180 and 1240,

can be divided into quests and
early history versions.

The quest versions focus on the
search for the Grail and the

hero's adventures, while the
history versions obviously delve

into the history of the Grail
itself.

The legends attribute the
Grail's origin to Joseph of

Arimathea, with its significance
intertwined with Christian

symbolism, although again its
origins remain completely

obscured.
I always thought that the Grail

had this long standing place or
legend in religion, possibly

going back 2000 years, but it
doesn't appear to be the case.

There's and there's several
origins like I said, and this

becomes very this is like a
recurring theme.

There's these all these origins
for but it never actually gets

an origin.
The Welsh tales in the

Mabinogian.
So I've referenced this book

before and in the Mystery of
Cicada 33 O1 encoded in some of

those images were passages from
the Mabinogian.

So it the book tells the tragic
story of Branwyn, the sister of

the Welsh King Bran.
Now Branwyn marries the Irish

King Mathleuk.
I probably completely butchered

that, but she faces mistreatment
and abuse room, so she sends

word to her brother Bran, who
intervenes and attempts to

reconcile the kingdoms.
However, this does not go well

and it escalates, leading to
this devastating war.

And despite Bran's efforts,
Branwyn's son is killed and she

dies of a broken heart.
Now this story, somewhere in the

story there's also with the
death of Bran and his head is

served on a platter.
The platter in the story is the

grail.
So you've got this head.

There's blood.
It's kind of dark and gross.

The story highlights themes of
betrayal, diplomacy, and the

consequences of pride and
revenge.

This was originally published
back in 1840, but the stories go

back pretty far.
Then, as mentioned before,

there's the story of Percival,
the story of the Grail.

This is a medieval romance
centered around the character

Percival and his quest for the
Holy Grail.

It's written by Christian
d'etrois, and it follows

Percival's journey from a naive
young man raised in isolation to

a knight of the Round Table.
And along the way, Percival

encounters various challenges,
including the mysterious castle

where he witnesses the Grail
procession.

But he fails to ask the crucial
question that would heal the

Fisher King and restore
prosperity to the land.

Though the Fisher King is the
Keeper of the Grail, and as such

is granted eternal life, as long
as he's the Keeper of the Grail

but not eternal youth.
So he'll age, and only when the

proper question is asked is he
healed, and he may be released

from his his duties if the
person who asked the question

agrees to become the Keeper or
something like that.

Now, despite his initial
failure, Percival learns from

his experiences and eventually
fulfills his destiny by

achieving the Grail Quest.
And this story again explores

the themes of chivalry,
redemption and the search for

spiritual enlightenment,
diplomacy, personal growth.

Just like the Mabinogian.
It's an unfinished story though,

the original story by Du Tois.
He only wrote about 9000 lines

of the story before he passed
away, and I don't know if it was

meant to continue, but people
felt that it was and later

authors contributed another
54,000 lines.

The story.
So any original story, Percival

sees the procession but never
asks the question.

And then later on these
additional authors complete the

story where he goes, he finds
the castle gun, he completes the

quest and ask the question that
was back in the 1100s, late

1100s.
Another origin is Helen Andis,

also known as Helen and of
Froldmont.

He was Cistercian, chronicler
and the poet who lived around

the 12th and 13th centuries.
He is known for his historical

and theological works, including
Chronicon and De Ex Ecclesia.

I'm positive I got that wrong,
which provide valuable insights

into medieval history and
religious thought.

Helen and this is particularly
notable for his mention of the

Grail legend in his chronicles,
providing an early

interpretation of the word Grail
as a dish used in the Last

Supper, contributing to early
understanding of the Grail

significance in medieval
literature and legend.

So this is in the 12th and 13th
centuries.

This is another supposed origin
of it then.

The Arthurian legend is a
collection of medieval stories

and folklore centered around
King Arthur, a legendary British

monarch who supposedly ruled in
late 5th and 6th centuries.

The tales typically involve
Arthur's Knights at the Round

Table, such as Lancelot, Gaiwin
and Percival.

There he is again, and a quest
for the Holy Grail.

Key elements include Arthur's
magical sword Excalibur, his

advisor Merlin the wizard and
Queen Guinevere, and the

betrayal of by his knight and
friend Lancelot, leading to the

downfall of Camelot.
The legend encompasses themes of

chivalry, honor, love, betrayal,
and the pursuit of utopian

Kingdom.
It has been retold and adapted

countless times in literature,
art, music, film, shaping

Western culture's perception of
the Middle Ages and the ideals

of heroism and the Holy Grail,
and yet another version of the

Grail, the Song Grail, often
translated as Holy Grail.

It's a legendary concept,
associate with the bloodline of

Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene.
According to some medieval and

later literature, particularly
the works of the Arthurian

legends and Grail romances, the
Sangrel represents the lineage

descended from Jesus and Mary
Magdalene, preserving their

royal blood.
This idea is often intertwined

with the belief that the
descendants carried secret

knowledge or divine powers, and
some stories suggest that the

grail itself is a physical
representation of the bloodline.

No actual proof of any of this,
and it's primarily a product of

medial mythology and literature.
There's no historical evidence

to support it.
It, however, has captured the

imagination of many and
continues to be a subject, a

fascination and speculation in
popular culture.

Then there's the Knights
Templar, right?

And a lot of stories.
The Knights Templar are the ones

who are charged with protecting
the Holy Grail.

If it's about to be discovered,
they move it.

And if you're following idea of
the story of Percival and the

Protector, the Fisher King, the
protector of the Grail is

granite, eternal life.
And well, Indiana Jones finds

the Grail, finds the The Cave,
there's one of the Knights

Templar there.
It's been there for hundreds of

years guarding the Grail.
What about the Knights Templar?

Well, they were real.
The Knights Templar were a

medieval Christian military
order founded in the early 12th

century, originally to protect
Christian pilgrims traveling to

the Holy Land during the
Crusades, they quickly grew in

wealth and power, establishing
networks of castles, churches,

and economic ventures across
Europe and the Middle East,

including things like credit.
How about that?

The Templars are known for their
distinctive white mantles

adorned with the Red Cross, and
they became highly influential

in both military and financial
matters.

How their prominence also
attracted jealousy and

suspicion, and in thirteen O 7,
King Philip the 4th of France,

in collaboration with Pope
Clement the 5th, initiated

crackdown on the Templars,
accusing them of heresy,

corruption and other crimes.
Many of the Templars were

arrested, tortured, and
executed, and the Order was

eventually disbanded by the
Papal decree in 1312.

The Templar's legacy continues
to fascinate historians,

historians, historians, and
conspiracy theorists alike with

various myths and legends
surrounding their supposed

hidden treasures, secrets, and
influence, including the Holy

Grail and the Ark of the
Covenant.

Now it's the Templars that
supposedly took the Grail to

England.
And then I think it was Prince

Henry.
I think, I don't remember St.

Sinclair, Henry Sinclair.
And he vanished from Wales and

they think he went up in America
with the Grail and it wound up

in Oak Island for a while.
And then it was in other places

in Nova Scotia and then it
vanished from there.

The The Who knows, who knows who
knows where it went from there.

And then there's this podcast to
listen to.

This week or the past week I've
been listening to different

versions.
I listened to a podcast, a

couple of them from BBC Four,
where they talk about the Holy

Grail.
There was a podcast that was, oh

from 2017 and the host was
talking to.

I want to say his name was
William F Mann and at the time

he was the Grand.
I don't see Dragon Grand,

whatever of of the Knights
Templar, Order of the Knights

Templar.
There's like a current modern

version of the Knights Templar
and he was the the leader of

them and he had written a few
books.

I think he'd written two books
at a time.

He's releasing his third back in
2017, and the book was to be

released like the week after
this podcast.

And the idea was from this, the
author that once this book was

released, all the information
needed to find the Grail.

Basically the location of the
Holy Grail was gonna be in this

book and all you had to do was
read it and then go find it.

And they were it would change
the world, it would go to the

right people and it would change
the world.

That was in 2017.
He's had a few books after that.

Apparently nobody found it or he
never said so.

Who knows about that.
But in another podcast I was

listening to and I went through
my history, I just listened to

it like 2 days ago and went
through my history.

I can't find it.
It's just gone.

I'll pull it up.
But it went through all these

different variations of what the
Grail is, the different stories.

A lot of stuff I I touched on,
but something I also talked

about was the grail not being a
physical object.

And I kind of like this idea
that the grail isn't a thing to

go out and search for, but the
Grail is a thing that you need

to go within the search for.
And that the the Knights on

these quests and they're
fighting Dragons and other

Knights and they're, you know,
abolishing evil.

And of course, there's always
betrayal and there's some kind

of drama, and that's when things
fall apart.

And they can never find the
grail until they reconcile

what's right.
And when you look at that as

just the human condition, you
come up with something like

this, that the Holy Grail as an
interpretation of the human

condition, embodies various
themes and symbols that resonate

deeply with human experiences.
It represents the quest for

spiritual enlightenment,
fulfillment, and divine

knowledge.
Now where we heard that just in

this podcast, every one of these
stories is based on

enlightenment and divine
knowledge and spiritual

enlightenment and fulfillment, a
journey that many individuals

embark upon in their lives.
The Grail's elusive nature

reflects the inherent mystery
and complexity of human

existence, as well as the
pursuit of deep of deeper

meaning and purpose.
And then furthermore, the Grail

often symbolizes purity,
healing, and redemption,

suggesting humanity's innate
desire for inner peace and

restoration.
However, the quest for the Grail

is also fraught with challenges,
trials, and moral dilemmas,

mirroring the struggles and
conflicts that individuals

encounter on their personal
journeys.

Ultimately, the Grail serves as
a powerful metaphor for the

human condition, encapsulating
humanity's yearning for

transcendence, the search for
truth and eternal quest for

commit connection with the
divine.

You know, there's a lot of
trains of there's many train of

thought that you can follow on
this, but with so many different

origins, so many different
objects, that the Grail could be

to me personally, and this is my
personal thought, it's not a

physical thing, it's not a cup,
it's not a plate.

It was never eaten off of, and
it is an internal thing.

And that because what's the one
thing that we're always asking

as a species from the beginning
of time?

What does it all mean?
Why are we here?

Where are we going?
That sounds like an inner quest

to me.
And a lot of these stories of

the Holy Grail, they're looking
for knowledge, right?

The the Sangrel, the sacred
bloodline.

They hold knowledge and powers.
The Knights Templar are

protecting this treasure.
They never say what the treasure

is, but a lot of stories, the
treasure is knowledge.

In Percival, the thing that
activates the power of the Grail

to heal the Fisher King is the
search for knowledge.

Asking the right question.
It it makes sense to me that

it's an inner thing.
It's something that's different

for everyone.
The the podcast I listened to

stated that in a lot of these
stories there's got to be a

purity, there's got to be a an
understanding with that

individual.
They have to be.

OK, with themselves, they have
to be able to be OK being alone

in understanding.
That's what the quest is.

And there's a lot of that in
self reflection.

There's a lot of people who when
I go backpacking, if I just go

hiking, if I go solo somewhere,
I'm out there on the trail in my

own head for days at a time.
And several people have

mentioned to me they don't know
if they could do that.

They don't know if they could be
able to alone with themselves in

their own head for that long.
And it's kind of a it was always

it was a weird thing to hear
that the first time I heard

that, that now I'm not trying to
say I'm enlightened because I

can do it, but I understand the
reasoning behind it.

If you don't ever stop, if
you're always distracted by

things, wouldn't.
Regardless what it what it is,

if it's technology or job or
person or anything, if you're

constantly distracted by that or
you're always looking for a

distraction, you're never
focusing on yourself.

And maybe that's the whole point
of what the grill is.

It's not about going out and
trying to find something.

That's the distraction, going
going out to find something.

Not saying that don't go outside
or don't go places.

You look inwards more than you
look outwards.

I think that's what the Grail
with the story of the Grail,

with the origin of the Grail
actually is.

And I'm probably completely
wrong.

And like I said, this is just
the beginning.

There's a lot to the Grail.
Obviously the story has been

told since the 1100s or earlier.
So I didn't just answer it.

I'm not that smart.
But that's that.

That description makes a lot of
sense to me.

So I'm going to look into all of
these possibilities in the

future, all these different
versions of the Grail now, the

ones that really catch my
attention are the, well,

obviously the human condition
side of it, but also the

Sungrel, even though it seems to
be much less grounded than a lot

of the other stories, although I
guess none of them really are,

are they.
They all came from poems and

verse or visions or ideas.
But I will look into more of

them and I'll cover them on
future episodes because this is

just fascinating and there's way
more to this.

Like I said, I always thought
just hearing the word Holy Grail

than it was a cup and somebody
hit it and it's worth some

money.
That's why people are looking

for it.
Basically that's what you think,

or it has some kind of religious
quality to it that people want

to preserve.
But there's some kind of value

to this object and it turns out
that it the object isn't as

important as the idea.
And regardless of whether you

you see it as a thing or as an
idea, there's still that value

there.
So yeah, my my idea of it has

really grown looking into it and
I'll look more into it.

So I hope you guys enjoyed this
in this little bit of a shorter

episode.
But there's so many ways this

could go, so many different
versions of this that just the

introduction was enough to fill
quite a bit of time.

I'll put links to as much as
stuff as I can in the show

notes.
Like I said that I I don't know

why it didn't keep the history
of the podcast as I listened to

the other day, and I'll see if I
can find it again.

But I'll put links to all that
stuff down in the show notes.

And as always, you can contact
the show at

podcast@primitiveintelligence.com
and let me know what you think.

Let me know what your thoughts
are.

Really, really curious to hear
what you think that's going to

do it for me for this week and
I'm going to research some more

stuff for Six O 3.
I I know that, oh, that there's

a lot of UFOUAP stuff and I'm
trying to get away from that a

little bit.
I mean, it's still like those

stories.
I'm still going to do stuff on

it, but trying to to pull some
different stories.

But it's right now it's really
hard because there's a lot of

stuff out there right now about
UF OS and UA PS and it's hard to

avoid that.
And then I start looking at one

thing and then stories pop up
and it's so I've got all kinds

of things planned, but we'll
keep on going with the season.

I hope you guys are enjoying it
so far.

I know we're only at the end of
the second one, but appreciate

you listening.
Thanks for joining me for this

kind of kick start to the Holy
Grail that's going to do it for

me.
Enjoy the rest of your week.

See ya.