ep. 513 - The Top Secret Human/Alien Exchange Program

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Primitive Intelligence Podcast

episode 513, The Top Secret
Human Alien Exchange Program.

You just got me this week.
It's my fault.

I was not available on Sunday
when we usually do our

recording, and it's now Tuesday,
late on Tuesday.

And I wasn't going to call
Perocco, wake him up so I could

tell him the story about the
human alien exchange program.

So you just got me.
Also on top of that, because I

got a short turn around, I'm not
doing the the live video they

usually do as I'm recording.
It's just going to be the album

art on the video stream this
week.

That's a bonus for you because
you don't kind of look at my

face when I'm talking and it's
easy for me to edit just the

audio instead of audio and
video.

So we're going to do that.
So over the last month or so,

I've had a couple different
secret space program stories

float it my way.
And as I looked into the two of

them, it made me think of the
first story like this I ever

heard.
And you never forget your first

secret space program.
That's what I'm going to talk

about in this week's episode.
So episode 513 of the Primitive

Intelligence Podcast starts now.
Like I said, for the last month

or so I've had a couple
different secret space programs

that have been circulating
around me, and I've been I've

been looking at them.
One of them is Project Camelot,

and I know enough about Project
Camelot to not trust the source

behind a lot of this
information, so I tend to leave

that alone.
The second one was something

that it's been around for a
while, but I've never really

heard about it.
And if you have, please reach

out podcast at
primitiveintelligence.com.

Let me know what you know of
Solar Warden.

That is the one I've been
looking into recently.

But these made me think about
this first story that I heard

years and years ago about this
top secret space program, but

this top secret human alien
exchange program.

Some of this information I've
known for years.

For the the purposes of the
show.

I'm getting the information from
the book by Richard J Dempsey, a

top secret human exchange
program, Project Serpo.

Now this book is written.
This book is based off of mostly

the website and the exchanges
between the people who ran the

website and the sources of the
story.

I'm gonna do my best to make it
coherent because it does jump

back and forth.
Some of it is an e-mail that was

posted on the website and then
the next segment is another

e-mail answering questions about
the posts from the first e-mail

that you don't see.
So I had to read this and then

I'm putting it all back together
and trying to put it into a

timeline.
So what am I talking about with

this project?
Serpo?

This has its origins nowhere
else but Roswell, NM in 1947 E

Roswell crash.
Now according to this story, it

wasn't just one crash, it was 2.
Now the first crash in July of

1947, the one that was witnessed
by the farmers, that was

initially publicized as a the
flying disk had crashed and then

later that story was changed.
Say it was a weather balloon.

That's the one everybody knows
about.

The second one wasn't found
immediately.

It wasn't found until two years
later in August of 1949.

That's not said in the story
that I remember, but it's I

think it's hinted at that these
crashed at about the same time

and then this one just wasn't
found until later.

So the second crash, the 1 from
1949 that they found, they had

to dig that out.
They recovered everything that

they get and they had found six
bodies that recovered.

Of course after two years they
were all dead.

But the original crash, there
was a report of 1 entity that

survived.
Now they named they they called

these beings extraterrestrial
biological entities, or Ebes.

That gave them the nickname
Eben.

So throughout the story, in the
book and through what I'm gonna

say, I will refer to them as
Ebens.

Now these beings are picture
your typical Gray but taller

with a more human looking face.
The bigger eyes, but more human

like eyes I think and more less
robotic.

They're like a just a weird
looking person and they don't

communicate telepathically like
you always hear greys.

They have an actual voice and an
A spoken language and their

languages.
It's described in the book as

almost like a high pitched laugh
with tonal under structures to

it.
So I'm guessing it's kind of

like that Halloween like ghost
or witch.

They hang on a string and when
you walk by it goes flies

around.
And that's what I hear in my

head when you're talking about
this.

I I'm thinking it's something
like that.

Maybe I'm completely wrong.
Never met one, so I couldn't

tell you, but that's what we're
looking at here.

They were, they appear to be
more friendly and they appear to

be more like explorers than what
you would picture a Gray being

cold and methodical and they're
do a job.

So this EBE who survived the
crash, he lived until 1952.

So he lived for five years after
the crash.

And during the time he worked
with the US government and US

scientists to understand some of
the technology, some of the

language, some of the history of
them and of us, eventually

showing the scientists how this
communication device worked that

they had found in the crash.
They got it actually working in

Functional, and it was hard for
this even to teach us because

his abilities, his knowledge
pretty limited.

He wasn't a scientist.
It turns out that he was

basically a mechanic on the
ship, and he's the one that

survived.
So he did the best he could to

help explain all these things,
answer questions the best he

could.
He had no idea how to translate,

how to understand English, and
all this had to come slowly.

So when they got this
communication device working, he

was allowed to use it to
communicate with his home

planet.
And the initial message back to

his home planet wasn't like,
hey, I crashed, come get me it

was hey, here's what happened.
There was an accident. 2 ships

crashed.
I'm the only survivor.

I'm here working and learning
about the humans.

Over the years, this
conversation with his home

planet kind of changed and he
asks for retrieval and for the

the bodies of the other Ebens to
be collected and taken home and

before they could get here,
before they return.

And the exchange program was
something that was put out there

by us to this even to suggest.
And reluctantly the other evens

agreed to it and they said we
had to actually, before they we

could even get a a schedule for
them to come and do a meet, we

had to start sending the
messages ourselves.

We couldn't speak their
language, we couldn't type their

language because the
communication device was text

based, their written language.
So there was a little bit of

trial and error and after
several communications the the

idea was finally they realized,
oh our guy died there, this is

the humans trying to contact us.
We set up a meeting and this

meeting was scheduled for April
and 1964.

Now, this isn't long after the
Kennedy assassination and it was

almost canceled.
President Johnson decided to

allow it to happen because he
didn't think it would.

He said no, just let him come.
Didn't really have any faith

that this was going to happen.
And lo and behold, in April 1964

to even spaceships show up in
our solar system.

They've been in communication
with us for a couple months in

advance, letting us know that
they were on schedule.

And when they get here, we had
set up two locations, one just

in case something leaked, we had
these two locations and we we

tell them, look, we're going to
meet at this location and the

first ship lands in the wrong
spot and we've got to try to

communicate with them.
Hey, you're in the wrong.

You're in the wrong spot.
This is where you're supposed to

be.
They wind up getting that

confusion fixed.
They get to the right location.

Yeah, you're in New Mexico.
So they arrive at at the right

location in New Mexico, and the
evens disembark from their ship.

And they meet with 16 US senior
officials and military officials

and one of the things that
they're given is a crude

translator that can roughly
translate their language to

English and vice versa.
And they have this meeting and

there's understanding that, you
know, we didn't kill their

people.
They died in a crash and the the

last survivor died from injuries
and being on our planet, away

from home.
And they don't immediately agree

to an exchange, but they're open
to the idea and they say we'd

like to do this, but we want to
set a different time to do this.

And after they leave, there's
more communication with this

communication device that they
leave behind and we come up with

a date and we also come up with
a team.

So the date is set for July 1965
and they have to find the people

to send.
They go through 100 or 200

people and they have to meet
some very specific criteria.

First of all, they got to be
career military.

This is a mission that could
last 10 years and they have to

be OK with disappearing for 10
years.

This also means they don't want
them to have any children or

family ties.
If they don't have a lot of

civilian friends, that'd be
great because they need to make

these people disappear and they
basically put them in missing in

action status and then
eventually do what they call

sheep dipping, which erases them
from all records so they just

cease to exist.
They wind up narrowing down this

field to 1612 of which are the
main team that are scheduled to

go, and then four alternates
just in case someone gets sick

or backs out or they get
disqualified.

That's the team we're going to
send.

They're engineers, they're
scientists, they're linguists,

they're cross trained in several
things.

They want to get the most
information from this team when

they go to this alien planet and
in exchange the Ebens send us 5

participants.
I don't think they all arrived

at once.
I think they would send one and

then they would swap them out.
I think that's how that worked.

And they weren't all evens.
We'll talk about that a little

bit later.
There was initially a delay.

July wasn't when it was supposed
to happen, supposed to happen I,

I think in late 1964.
And there was some kind of

delay.
So this team had to be trained.

And then they were basically
sequestered.

And it says in the book that
they were sent to Leavenworth

because they couldn't just pop
up somewhere.

They've been erased.
So they sent them to prison, and

then they stayed there in
confinement quarantine until the

evens could come and pick them
up.

And when they did, they transfer
them to New Mexico where the

transfers are gonna take place.
And they load up their gear on

the even spacecraft and they
take off and they rendezvous

with a much larger vessel.
And this is the vessel that's

gonna take them under 10 month
journey, 39 light years away to

the Zeta reticular system to
where the Eben homeworld is.

And a lot of the information
that that comes from this

mission comes from the team
members and it's written like

journals.
One of the things that's

mentioned about the travel time
is that they are very confused.

They get dizzy.
They say they don't feel any

emotion, but they they feel
dizzy, they don't feel

weightlessness and they they
have our time focusing.

They can't keep track of time.
Like they keep on referencing.

They're they're looking at their
watches and it's whatever time

it is, it's 1800 hours.
And they're like, but I don't

know what day they they they're
passing in and out.

They're putting in these,
they're like these chairs in

these bubbles and they're told
to sit in these chairs in these

bubbles.
And there's one even there that

can communicate with them is
doing an OK job.

But this is like, you got to
sit, you got, you got to stay in

these chairs.
And then they, they keep on

getting up and trying to walk
around because it's ten months.

They can't sit in this chair for
10 months.

And every time they get up and
move around, they they get out

of this bubble and they start
getting sick and they start

passing out and the Ebens are
giving them food.

They're giving them and then not
their food.

They they brought rations, but
the evens are just given like

this, like a bread and a they
they say it's like a Stew.

Is that where they're eating the
Stew?

It's like a Stew and the bread
and water that tastes like

apples.
It's really weird.

But they say the eating this
stuff actually makes them feel

better.
So they're guessing there's

something in the food that is
helping them combat whatever is

causing this illness.
And at one point they're allowed

to walk around the ship and
there's one window they can see

out and that they can't see any
stars.

It's just dark.
But there's like these WAVY

lines going past the ship and
they ask the one even that can

communicate with them decently,
well, what are they seeing?

And they just, they're just told
it's space distortion or time,

time waves, that's what this is.
You're seeing time waves and

they're trying to get them to
explain, like, what does that

mean?
How does this work?

And they don't have the words to
explain it.

There's a huge language barrier.
They're still learning how to

communicate.
So they go back to their chamber

that's got these chairs and
these bubbles, and they sit and

they sit and then at one point
they don't know how long it's

been.
They they think it's been a

couple weeks, a few weeks maybe,
and they wake up and I think

it's the the commander of the
unit of the team.

He wakes up and he's in a box.
He's not in or he's in a I'm

sorry.
He wakes up and he's in a what?

What he says is a bowl.
It's not his chair.

It's not his little chair in the
bubble.

It's a bowl.
And there's like a lid on top of

it and he's looking around and
there's he feels horrible.

He's really nauseous.
He's really sick.

He pops open the the lid on this
little bowl that he's in and

he's looking around.
He's really disoriented.

He's having a hard time focusing
and he's looking around and he's

looking at this clear dish that
he's in and there's tubes and

wires coming from it.
And he's looking around this

huge room and there's more these
bowls and he's walking up the

bowls and he's looking at and
it's his team and he's he

doesn't know how long he's
walking around.

He's trying to figure this out,
but he realizes that there's

only there's 12 bowls but
there's only 11 people.

And he starts freaking out
because he doesn't know what

happened to one of his team
mates.

So they're kind of translator,
even comes in sees him out of

his his dish and is trying to
not restrain him but comfort him

and say, look, you got you guys
are having a bad reaction to the

travel.
You need to get back in your get

back in here.
We're trying to help you.

And he's like, where is he goes,
there's only eleven of us

there's eleven of us.
Where's #12?

Where's #12?
And it it takes a little bit of

back and forth before this even
realizes what he's talking

about.
And he says something along the

lines of Earth man not alive or
something like that, Earth Man,

something like that, if I forget
the exact wording.

But basically he, he didn't
survive.

And they bring in some of this,
the this bread and this apple

water, this this Sweetwater,
this Milky Sweetwater that

they're drinking.
And they give it to them and

they all start feeling a little
better, like they're pulling

everybody out of there, these
these dishes, and they're,

they're giving them food and
water and they're starting to

feel better.
And that's when they get the

explanation that you guys got
really sick.

The this, the travel, the way we
travel is making you guys very

sick.
This room is designed to shield

you from it.
But the one guy didn't make it

and they're all, they all go by
numbers.

I think he was his number was
three O 8 was the number he was

assigned three O 8 dies.
And they say basically he got so

sick he got an infection because
they wanted to.

There was two doctors there and
they wanted to have a look and

see if he was OK And the evens
are like, no, no, no, no, you

don't want to open that.
He's got an infection.

You might get sick.
And they're like, OK, so they

there's actually, they say that
they see actual concern on the

face of the evens.
They're distraught over the fact

that one of the humans has died.
That's not what they were.

That's not what they were trying
to do.

They were trying to save them.
So they collectively get

themselves back together.
Now there's eleven of them, not

12.
They collect themselves.

They just listen to what the
Evens tell them to get through

this trip that's ten months back
ten months to their planet and

they get some good news that
they're almost there, it's it's

almost over.
They've been in the ship for

months and months and they're
they're almost to their home

world.
And then you finally get there

and they they've they're told
you got to go get in your your

bubble chairs before we land.
You'll be safe if you get in

your bubble chairs.
They get in your bubble chairs,

they land, the evens come in,
they bring them through the ship

take them to all their stuff and
they they go down this corridor.

They say that they don't have
any like ladders or stairs.

They just everything they have
is a ramp.

It's a weird bit of the story to
to fixate up.

All they have is ramps.
So the the ramp opens up and

they they come out onto the
planet and it's their first look

at this alien world.
And there's obviously there's

Ebens everywhere and the first
thing they notice is it's very

desert, like it's very hot and
the structures are all there.

There's some larger buildings,
but all the buildings right in

the immediate vicinity look like
Adobe huts, like mud huts and

they're varying sizes but
they're all very similar and but

there's no there's a lot of
sand, there's a lot of rock, but

there's not a lot of vegetation.
And they they find this really

weird because a lot of stuff
they were fed on the ship.

A lot of the even food that they
were given was clearly organic.

It was like fruits and and
vegetables and where they

growing this stuff.
So they get taken, they get

shown around a little bit of the
village, I guess you call it.

And then they get taken to this
like a one of these huts that

leads into a cave and all their
materials are taken down into

this kind of cave, this big
opening.

And they they it's much cooler
there.

And they're introduced to a a
new even who speaks English

really well in this weird high
pitched voice, but speaks

English really well.
And they they call this one EBE

Two and they learned that EBE
two is a female and she is

basically their concierge.
When they need something, she's

there.
She speaks English.

She understands what they're
saying.

She can translate from other
Ebens and they go about this

process of learning how to exist
on this alien world because one

of the first things they realize
is nothing works.

Nothing is working the way it's
supposed to.

Yeah, they've got watches, but
time means absolutely nothing

because they they determine that
the even day on the planet is

like 43 hours and they have no
concept of time.

They don't use time like we do.
We've got watches.

All our technology is basically
based on time.

GPS is time based, like
everything is time based, not

for them.
Their time system is in every

village there's a giant tower
with a a mirror or glass or

crystal or something on the top.
And then at the bottom of the

tower around at the base of the
tower there's symbols.

And as the light from the sun
hits this mirror and it, it goes

through the mirror crystal and
then it comes down the tower and

then it it goes out to a symbol
and that symbol tells them what

stage of the day it is.
It's either time to work, or

it's time to rest, or it's time
to eat, or it's time to do this,

and from what they can tell,
their cycle is like 10 hours on,

4 hours off, 10 hours on, 4
hours off.

So they don't have a sleep
cycle.

And then the next strange thing
is that there's two Suns, so

their star system is binary, but
their planet only revolves

around one of the stars.
So it's this really weird orbit

and it never gets completely
dark, at least not where they

are.
They they think, depending on

where the arcs, the way that the
planet is tipped, that there are

areas on the planet that will
get completely dark, but where

most of the Ebens live in.
It gets dim, but it never gets

dark because even when the main
sunsets, the second star, even

though it's much fainter and
much further away, is always

just gone the horizon.
So they start to get their

bearings and they're basically
told you have free range.

We won't stop you from doing
anything.

You can go anywhere you want.
We just ask that you don't

intrude on the privacy of the
evens.

So if they're in their home and
their doors are closed, please

don't bother them.
And I I think once they they're

just curious and they they go up
to a house and they see if they

can let themselves in and they
get politely escorted out and

they go, OK, they're serious
about that.

They don't want us in there.
So they they don't do it because

leave the humans to to push that
boundary.

But anywhere else they're
extremely open about anything

and everything.
So they're just walking around

and there's a building and like
they there's a military.

The these evens have a military,
but they never carry weapons or

rarely carry weapons and they
are military and police.

So there there's not a separate
force.

It's that's if you're in the
military, you are military and

you're also local cop.
So they're walking through the

village one day when they first
get there and they're looking

around and they just see there's
a military guy standing there.

And even with a military
uniform, they just wear these

jumpsuits and the different
colors tell you what they do.

And he's guarding a door, like
standing in front of a door.

So they turn and they walk up to
it and he just looks at them.

He even looks at the these two
humans and the bows his head a

little bit and steps to the side
and they start talking to him

and they say, do you understand
English?

And has no idea what they're
saying?

And they walk in and they're
looking around and they have no

idea what this building is and
almost like on cue in walks EB2

and she walks in she's oh, this
is the tower that is our time

keeper basically this is how she
explains it and they so are we

allowed to look around.
She's absolutely.

So she gives them a tour of this
tower and they get in this like

glass looks like a little glass
room that is somehow an elevator

and it it takes them all up to
the top and she's explaining how

the the sunlight hits the the
crystal on top and it shines out

on the bottom and the the
commander.

So it's like our watches this is
how we we tell time and the

even's like this is even time
and he says it goes OK I I

understand.
So this is your clock and this

our clock.
This is Earth time.

And the even just says no,
there's no Earth time here.

Your time doesn't work here.
And that's when they they start

to realize that they're going to
have to come up with their own

calendar because they it's
really hard to take a 24 hour

watch and make it work in a 43
hour day.

And who knows how long their
years are.

It's supposed to be 10 years.
It could be 50 years on their

planet or it could be two years
in our planet.

So they come up with their own
form of a calendar, but they

eventually abandoned that
because it just doesn't work.

They keep a loose idea of how
long it's been, but it's too

hard to try to keep track of
Earth time because they they

have a clock that they brought
with them that is like an atomic

clock like we would use on Earth
that is set to work.

Show them exactly where Earth
time is.

But there's I won't get into the
theory of relativity and how

gravity effects time, but that
could be wrong.

You're on another planet that
could actually be very wrong.

You might think it's working or
it could be very wrong.

So time could literally be
different here.

So they just adopt and adjust to
the even time they get taken to

like a food hall.
They get to see all these, they

get to experience all these
different aspects of this alien

culture.
They all seem their homes seem

to have like kitchen area, like
a food prep area.

But it would appear that a lot
of times they eat in this

communal hall that the
translating, even that the

translating even just calls the
eating place and when they walk

in there's a bunch of evens
there.

They don't eat at home.
They'll they'll eat there and

there's no money.
There's no they they don't have

a a monetary society.
Everything is provided for them.

They all work.
But they you need food.

You you get food.
If you need clothes, you get

clothes.
They don't really have

televisions.
They don't have the

materialistic things like we
would be accustomed to.

They do have materials, but
their homes aren't filled with

them.
It's when they go to this eating

place, this communal dining
hall, where they realize that

there's more than just evens on
this planet.

They're not the only visitors.
These humans aren't the only

visitors to the planet.
They see this being walked by

that kind of looks a little bit
like an even, but it's way

taller and it's got these real
lanky arms.

And they they find their EB2 and
they ask her, and who is that?

Is that one of you?
Is that an even?

Is that what's going on?
And she says no, he's a visitor

like you.
You're not the only ones that

aren't evens here.
And they come to learn that's

not their original home.
The evens came from another

planet that had massive volcanic
activity, and it became

uninhabitable.
So they moved this planet that

they call Serpo, and that's
where they live now.

And there was this Great War
three or two or three thousand

years ago, wiped out hundreds of
thousands of them.

But they wound up winning in the
end.

And they're highly advanced.
They have these highly advanced

weapons, but they don't like
using them.

And this is pretty evident when
they wind up finding out that

they try to get the body back of
this number three O 8 who died

on the ship.
And they asked.

They say, listen, it's been a
while.

We know you guys wanted to look
at the body and we agreed to

that.
But we need his body back and

there we can't do that.
So there's a human commander

says, look, you've had the body
of three O 8 for a while, you

you want it to examine.
And we agreed, but we need the

body back.
We need to bury him.

It's just what we need to do.
And the Ebens are like, Oh yeah,

we can't do that.
And he says, why not?

And they just said the body's
not available.

And he's what do you mean the
body's not available?

So this EB twos let me get our
leader because I did this for

him to explain.
So she, she brings the leader in

and because there's no real
government, there's like a

council of elders.
It's what they call it, but the

humans wind up nicknaming it.
But it's just a group that

decides for the 650,000 some
Ebens that live on this planet

and so they bring the leader and
they say listen we've been

pretty patient we we need his
body back and he's I can't do

that.
Look we don't it's it's just not

possible.
And they keep asking them why

isn't it possible.
Body's not available.

The body's not available.
They say, listen we're gonna

we're getting this body back one
way or the other because they're

starting to get a little annoyed
to humans.

And the leader says, hold on,
I'll get the Doctor.

Now this is all through
translation.

So they talk to, they tell EB2
this is we want the body back

and then she turns to the leader
and she's like, and then he's

making noises back to her and
then this is how this all goes

on.
So eventually it winds up

through translation saying I'll
I'll bring you the Doctor.

He can explain.
So they wait a little while the

leader comes back with this
other even who speaks perfectly

in English, almost in the human
voice, doesn't have that same

high tone.
And he basically explains to

them, we we used his body for
experiments.

We we did a lot of tests and the
lead, the commander of the Earth

group was like, whoa, hold on
now listen.

The only person who could have
authorized that is me.

This should never been done.
I would never authorize this.

This isn't how we treat our
dead.

We want we need access to the
body now.

And the doctors.
I want to help you with this.

But there's not much left.
We we used, we we we took all

the blood.
We removed the organs.

And we use all this in our
cloning facility.

And the commanders, though, we
did what cloning facility?

And at this point, he's like
getting other people from the

group.
He's like the two of you go back

to our cash, get our guns.
We're getting three O 8 and EB

twos.
No, we don't need to do this.

She's telling the leader this is
what they're doing.

The leader's freaking out.
No, we don't need to escalate

this.
We can.

We will.
We understand this upset you.

This is what we're trying to do.
We didn't realize this was going

to be a big deal.
We'll stop.

We won't do any more.
Nothing else will be done with

the remains and the human
commanders.

Like, you're going to take us to
them, you're going to take them

to take us to them right now.
And they wind up taking them to

the facility.
And they tell them, say, listen,

there's we don't have anything
really to give you.

There's very little remains.
Of course you can take them but,

and we won't do anything else
with them, but we want to show

you what we've been doing.
So they get on this, they they

call, it's like a helicopter
they say, but it doesn't have, I

guess it doesn't have rotors.
The helicraft, they take this

thing and they go way, way away
from the main area where the

villages are and they go out and
they get to this ginormous

building, It's huge.
And that they're going through

and they see this, if you go
into this room of these kind of

like glass like aquarium type
containers and they're looking

in and there's all these crazy
looking creatures in there and

they're asking what are these?
And they said these are cloned

specimens and they're basically
they're taking life forms from

other planets, taking animals
from other planets and then

they're cloning them and turning
them into other species.

And the humans are like what is
going on is this are they did

you take them with permission,
Are they yours?

And the evens are like they're
animals we get them from.

It's like we hunt like you hunt
animals.

We this is what we do and we
this is how we make medical

advancements and we do all these
things and this is what we do.

And they said this is what you
did with three O 8 and they said

no, not with these.
That's what we do with him is in

another section and they take
them, this other section and

they walk in and there's this
much larger, eben like creature

in this case that is way more
human looking than it's even

looking.
And they're like, this is what

we're creating, this is what
your, your team member helped us

create.
And they're like, we got to

leave, we got to get out of
here.

This is some creepy stuff.
And they're this really rosy

view of these evens, of this
really docile, peaceful,

benevolent race is suddenly
tarnished by the fact that

they're creating these clone
monstrosities in this facility

outside of town.
And they're they're trying to

explain, they're asking the
evens, what is the process?

What do you, how do you do this?
And they don't have the words to

explain it.
And they get like this Doctor,

this even Doctor Who can speak
English really well.

And this EB2, who's like the one
of the better translators and

they're the human linguists who
have learned the language.

They just can't, they can't
figure it out and they're trying

to explain it and they just
can't.

And they're trying to.
And in the story, they they say

to their credit, like they're
not hiding anything and they

don't see anything wrong with
this.

And they keep making the point
that even with the science, like

the the way the planet orbits
their stars doesn't really seem

to make sense.
And the way that they're energy

systems work and the way all
these things work, it doesn't

make sense to us.
But there's they have to keep

this open mind that's not we're
not dealing with the same

physics as on Earth and they're
not dealing with the same

culture or morals as they would
be on Earth.

So they they've got to either
they either got to fight or

they've got to let this go.
And they realize there's only

eleven of them on this planet.
They're 39 light years from home

and they can't get, they just if
these creatures, these beings

wanted them dead or imprisoned,
it would be very easy.

So they're not going to start a
battle that they know they're

going to lose.
So they they're not happy about

it.
But they let this, they let this

slide and they go through and
they, they talk a little bit

more about how they like to
these evens like to dance and

celebrate and sing and play
music.

And they've got a few game.
They got a game like soccer and

but like the ball's bigger and
it's like all these weird crazy

rules and they try to integrate
with this society and with this

culture and they celebrate with
them And when someone is is

sick, either an even or a human,
they get treated the same.

And then like these kind of
silly stories where the human

team brought softball equipment
with them so they had something

to do, and the Ebens tried to
learn how to play softball.

And they can get the concept,
but they can't figure out that

they got to catch the ball
before it hits the ground.

So someone hits the ball and
then they just kind of let it

fly towards them and hit the
ground and then they pick it up

like I did it.
So it's they're these really

smart beings, but they also
don't grasp some things that we

would consider simple.
But the vice versa is happening

with them.
We're not grasping their simple

things.
So this goes on.

It's almost 13 years because the
evens don't know how to tell our

time and we have no way, our
people have no way of telling

time and they've given up on
Earth time.

So they're there for almost 13
years.

Another one of the the team dies
on the planet and they it's a

fall.
They're out exploring and they

fall and they die.
But it's agreed upon.

There's going to be no testing.
So 13 years goes by, they return

to Earth and only eight of them
come back.

And two of them, the one died on
the way there, One died on the

planet.
Two people decided to stay

because they got used to it
there.

They fell in love with the
culture.

They fell in love with the
evens, and they wanted to stay.

And there was no push for them
to come back, because even if

they come back like they could
debrief via communication.

So they did their debrief that
way, but there was no push to

make them come back to Earth
because they were just, they

were.
They would have been written

off.
They would be deep sixed.

So they were all given new
identities and given new lives,

but they were sequestered for
years after they come back.

So there's this whole debrief,
and then you get into what the

Ebens sent to Earth, and there's
a couple straight Ebens who

come, who who translate and
bring technology.

So two of the five, the last two
that were sent, one is being

known as J.
Rod now J Rod.

There are plenty of articles and
stories about J Rod on the

Internet.
There's a video that I've I've

seen.
There's a video I've seen that

shows AUS Intelligent
Intelligence agent supposedly

interrogating a a grey looking
alien and even and it's supposed

to be J Rod.
Pretty sure that's that's a fake

video.
The depiction J Rod is pretty

accurate.
According to the video what I've

what I've read now J Rod was a
cloned was a was a cloned being.

A cloned hybrid being that was
designed to be able to better

endure our environment, better
convey information, more able to

learn our language, was designed
specifically as an instructor

for us.
J Rod also had the ability to,

from what I'm reading, had some
telepathic abilities and was

quite powerful.
The 5th and final being that

they sent was another cloned
creation that was like a test

subject that was sent known as
as Archibloid.

Now this is like a this is
described as a tall tall for

them like 5 foot 65 foot seven,
tan or Gray being with large

slanted dark eyes that were
yellowish.

A mushroom like head had long
arms with four fingers and is a

part of this thing called the
Gate 3 incident.

So I believe this is a Area 51
and the archgelloid and J Rod

were in in holding.
They weren't prisoners but they

were.
They had their areas and this

archgelloid, even though was
designed as designed and bred

and cloned to be a test subject,
decided it wanted to be free.

It was not happy with the
situation, It wanted to be free

somehow.
J Rod gets him out of his cell.

J Rod doesn't try to escape, but
the arch Goalloy decides to

escape, gets out and there's a
massive manhunt.

They're looking for this escaped
alien visitor and the there's a

an MP who they're driving
through.

They they get to a gate, this
gate 3, and they notice that the

guard is nowhere to be seen, so
they get immediately worried.

So the MP goes to the posting,
goes to the shack and there's

the the and there's the guard
and he's dead.

And they start looking around
and they see the archge.

Lloyd pops out and starts to run
and the MP pulls his gun, fires

a warning shot.
This creature turns around and

points something at him and he,
the MP, the human MP fires 2

rounds right in this thing's
chest, puts him down.

Backup arrives.
They take the article Lloyd back

to Area 51 and it survives and
they realize that this J Rod

released him.
Let this thing run free.

So they got now they've got to
put J Rod in kind of security.

They got to lock him up because
he's letting other aliens out.

And then his archiculoid winds
up dying like a year later.

But there's really crazy story
about we've we've got these

visitors here and they're
starting to get antsy and they

want to break out.
They want to be free.

They want to go see the planet
and you look at what our team

was allowed on this planet,
Serpo, versus what we were

allowing them to do on on our
planet and they are.

We had 12 people, well 11 people
that made it there and they were

given free range, go do whatever
you want.

They sent us two people and when
they were like, no, you're going

to stay in this high facility,
high security facility and

you're not leaving.
Of course they're going to want

to get out.
Now one of the visitors, one of

the five visitors that came
through with this exchange

program, brought with them what
is known as the Yellow Book.

And the Yellow Book is a history
of the universe as written by

the Ebens.
This also includes a history of

the Earth because they've been
coming here for thousands of

years.
Now.

I've looked forward in the book
because everything I've told you

up to now is only 25% of this
book.

It's 700 pages.
This is a big book. 6 / 600

pages, definitely over 600,
maybe 700.

It's a big, big book.
So there's a lot more.

Only 1/4 of the way through it
right now.

So I'm going to go through the
rest of this.

I'm going to look at the yellow
book.

I'm going to look at the rest of
the story, and I'm going to talk

about that next week on episode
514 of the Primitive

Intelligence Podcast.
That's going to do it for me for

this episode.
I hope you guys enjoy this.

This is a little bit more out
there so been itching to do an

out there episode in the past
couple weeks.

Think this one qualifies, but
there's a lot more to the story.

Thanks for listening.
Really appreciate you guys

hanging out and listening to
these crazy stories that we tell

you.
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I'm going to get this edited and
up for you and I'll continue the

story next week.
That's going to do it for me for

tonight.