ep. 507 - Show Me the Mummy

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episode 507 Show Me the Mummy.
That wasn't the original title,

but I have something special.
I've got a special guest.

You may recognize this voice.
Hey, everybody.

How you doing?
Rocco is back.

How how many episodes can we
expect you to be back for?

I don't need that pop up.
I don't know.

Maybe everyone.
We'll see.

It's it's only been almost 10
years since the last time I I

was.
I've been harassing Rocco for 9

years to get back on the pocket.
But you were right.

We did do one live stream.
I thought it was it was outcast,

and by that time of outcast I
had kind of given up on

uploading it as the primitive
intelligence.

So it kind of slipped my mind.
But once I went back and redid

season three, like a month ago,
I came across an episode.

I was like, holy crap, we did do
a live stream and that was the

one where I was talking about.
What year was that was 2018.

It's been a while.
Yeah, it's been a while.

So that.
Well, that makes me feel better

that it wasn't almost 10 years
ago, so, well, a proper like.

Last 10 years went by fast.
Yeah, a proper podcast.

It's been since Season 2 episode
313 that you've been on Wow.

In a while now, in as wait in
primitive intelligence years,

that's only three seasons.
Yeah.

So that I'm not that it hasn't
been that far.

Yeah, if you're listening
straight through, like now, it

wouldn't seem that long.
But in reality, it's been that

long.
So we're going to talk about the

Nazca mummies in this episode.
I've got a ton prepared.

You don't have to have anything
prepared.

But this is a crazy story.
Well, I'm that I'm glad because

I have nothing prepared.
So this is.

This is my entertainment so
entertain me.

I did see a short video, but I
don't know much, so I'm looking

forward to learning something.
This is going to be something.

Now this if this sounds strange
to you, if you're listening, we

are not in the same studio.
We're trying something different

because I think this makes it
easier because we don't have to

have.
Like, it doesn't take long to

get from my house to your house
or vice versa.

But we can be like, hey, let's
record and we can just sit down

and record and we don't have to
move gear.

We don't have to do all that.
So Rocco's at his house, 5 miles

away, and I'm at my house and
we're just going to do, we're

going to try it this way and see
how it works.

So without any further ado,
Episode 507, the Permanent

Intelligence Podcast, starts OK,
so the original title I had for

this episode was The Strange
Tale of the Nazca Mummies.

And I I thought I had it all
figured out.

And I I kept reaching out to you
like like, hey, do you want to

get in on this episode?
And it it you had to get your

stuff together.
You hadn't had your microphones

up in a while and I just kept on
finding more and more and more

with like 2 days ago.
I'm like I've got 6 pages of

notes for this.
I've actually edited this down

to 10 pages now.
Wow, it's a story.

This where, like when I was in
college and you were going to do

a presentation, you'd always try
to get more material because it

was never long enough and you're
doing the opposite.

You're trying to, you know,
Well, yeah.

Shave some things up.
Crazy thing about this is it's

not as cut and dry as you think.
And every time I think I have

all the information that I need,
something else pops up and it

just everything I've found
before gets put into a different

light.
So I got to reedit.

What?
Like I I was going one way.

You first told me about these a
couple weeks ago on the phone,

right?
And you're like, hey, have you

seen the the Mexican mummies?
Alien mummies.

I I when I I I just saw a
picture and it I laughed because

it seemed it it looked to me
from what I saw.

To be like a something like an
eighth grader or even earlier.

What it done?
I don't even want to say it.

Would they look like paper
mache?

I can't really.
I can't really put my finger on

it.
But it didn't it it it struck me

as funny.
Yeah, As soon as you told me

that, I I had when I was using
my earbuds.

So I looked at the phone, I
pulled it up and I saw the

pictures and I went, oh, that's
fake, immediate.

Well, that's that's absolutely
fake.

There's no way those are real.
And I kind of forgot about it,

but I I looked at them that we
both listen to Mysterious

Universe.
That's another podcast.

Yes, they cover all kinds of
topics, but.

And I told you I was like,
they're going to cover this,

they're going to talk about it,
and they're going to bring up

the similarities to Rex Gilroy,
who I believe passed away.

He's a paranormal investigator
with some like questionable

plaster casts I guess is the
best way to put what he shows.

Right.
And but but some a lot of a lot

of times when you see plaster
casts.

Well if you think Bigfoot.
If you if you want to think of a

plaster cast of a of a Bigfoot
foot sometimes they don't always

look the same.
So you know, no.

But he'd have like the one that
just always sticks in my mind is

like it looks like an alien fell
out of a spaceship and land at

face first like Wally coyote in
it like dinglings hanging out on

the bottom.
It's what the hell was that?

So that's what I initially
thought.

And they did they covered it in
their next episode really

briefly.
But they mentioned something

that I didn't know and they said
that this is not the first time

these mummies have appeared and
that's what got me going down

this rabbit hole.
So if you don't know what I'm

talking about, the.
I don't know where to the

average listener.
You may but in on.

On September 12th, 2023 the
Mexican government held their

own Congressional hearing on UA
P's.

This was immediately taken over
by the fact that 2 alien mummies

were uncovered during this
Congressional hearing.

If you look this up, all you'll
find is 2 scientists or

scientists unveiled 2 alien
mummies to the Mexican Congress

and that's all you hear about.
You don't hear about the the

hearing at all.
You just hear about these

mummies and everybody's tearing
this apart.

Absolutely everybody's staring
apart.

But also in attendance for this
congressional hearing was Ryan

Graves and if that name sounds
familiar to you, Ryan Graves is

one of the three testimony
witnesses that were in the US

congressional UAP hearing.
So.

Yeah, I didn't know that.
He's the the retired Navy pilot

who also found it, the ASA,
Americans for Safe Aerospace.

He's the one who gets been
getting all these reports from

military and commercial pilots
and he's building a database.

And he's the one who had contact
with the dark Gray cube in the

sphere.
In the clear sphere.

So this guy's legit, right?
So as soon as I heard he was

involved and you see very little
about this.

I was like, oh, so there's got
to be something to this.

What you don't hear though, is
that not only was Ryan Graves

there, but there is also ten
other speakers from Mexico,

United States, Argentina,
Brazil, France and Japan.

You don't hear anything about
this.

All about All about you and.
These or they're all there in

this congressional hearing.
Now I'm going to circle back the

hearing at the end of this
because it's its own.

In order to get the the meat and
potatoes of this we got to learn

the story.
So the day after the hearing and

forgive me because I do have
notes crazy over here.

I'm scrolling through as I'm
going Ryan Gray's posts on his

Twitter ex, whatever it is.
And as soon as I see this, I'm

like, this is going to be
interesting.

Let me let me see what he has to
say because you know, it's Ryan

Graves.
This is word for word, his

tweet.
After the US Congressional UFO

hearing, I accepted an
invitation to testify before the

Mexican Congress, hoping to keep
up the momentum of government

interest in pilot experiences
with UAP.

Unfortunately, yesterday's
demonstration was a huge step

backwards for this issue.
My testimony centered on sharing

my experience and the UAP
reports I hear from commercial

and military aircrew to a S A's
witness program.

I will continue to raise
awareness of UAP as an urgent

matter of aerospace safety,
national security, and science,

but I am deeply disappointed by
this unsubstantiated stunt.

And I read this and I was like,
OK, the alien mummies.

Little bit of a stunt, but that
seems like he's talking about

more than just these alien
mummies.

So was it all stunt?
Was this entire congressional

hearing a sham?
Maybe.

But in order to figure this out,
we got to take a look at the

main players of this entire
story.

This isn't just about these
mummies in a congressional

hearing.
So we've got our four main

players and you may have heard
some of these names and maybe

not.
Jaime Mossan sometimes goes by

his full name, Jose Jaime Mossan
Flota.

He's a Mexican journalist, he's
a TV personality and he is a

ufologist.
This guy is very hoax adjacent,

and he always has been.
I have heard him described as

not being a charlatan himself,
but being very gullible, some of

the things that he has been
involved with.

Now if you've got your phone
handy, look some of these up and

you will see.
Just do like a image search back

in around 2007.
Do you ever remember hearing

about the meteppic creature?
I don't think so.

So the story goes that Mexican
farmers were there was this

creature that was kind of
terrorizing their farms,

destroying crops, getting into
buildings, damaging, you know

like attacking their animals.
So the Mattepic creature, this

gets pushed by Jaime Mossan who
now for all intents and purposes

from what I've seen he is a
legit legit air quotes

journalist.
He was, he's been on Mexican TV

shows for 40 plus years.
He was one of the host of their

their version of 60 minutes.
So this guy's got some

credentials behind him.
So they he get puts his weight

behind this metapic creature and
it turns out it's a skinned

monkey.
They just skinned the monkey and

they took pictures of it.
That's that's the extent they

went, They were sitting around a
room and they went, what could

we do to make a creature, let's
skin a monkey or shape.

No, no, no.
They skinned it.

It's not shaved.
He skinned it like you can see,

like the muscles and the like.
It wasn't alive, obviously, but

it was.
So that's like the first thing.

Next up, have you ever heard of
the Roswell slides?

No.
Okay, this is back in 2015.

The story behind this is that
elderly couple, they buy a house

and in the house they find a box
that has all these old slides.

And when if you're younger when
I'm talking about my slides is

when cameras used to use film.
Sometimes you could get it them

developed as photos and
sometimes you got a slide and he

had to take that slide and put
it into a projector to cast it

onto a screen.
So they find these slides and in

the slides they find 2 pictures
of an alien body at Area 51.

In comes Jaime Wassan.
This is incredible.

Starts pushing the story.
They create the Roswell Slides,

Paranormal Investigative Center
and they start this movement

called Be Witness.
They have this big event, they

raise money, they're charging
money for tickets.

They've raised so much money for
this.

They're putting all the
information out.

And then somebody looks at the
pictures and they're like, why?

If this is a alien in the Area
51 Hop secret Area 51, why does

it have a placard by it like
it's sitting in the museum?

So.
Oh no, somebody was on vacation.

They posed this question to this
Roswell slides group and they're

like, we've been trying to
enhance the photos to see what

this placard says.
It's just it's unreadable.

So they this person I love, It's
the same person who posed the

question, but they find this
free trial software to unblur

photos and they unblur it and
the placard clearly says the

mummified body of a 2 year old
boy.

It was it was just a museum.
It was just a mummy in the

museum.
So somebody was on vacation and

happened to be in a museum and
took some pictures.

And this is this is.
And all of a sudden now they're

making money off and saying,
yes, they probably sold it to

Massan.
Like, I don't think Massan ever

was the mastermind behind any of
this, but people were just like,

oh, this guy will believe
anything.

Let's sell on this.
Then there's in 2016, the Demon

Fairy.
This you may remember.

I don't.
It doesn't worry about.

Do you remember pictures of this
like 8 or 9 inch tall Mothman

looking creature?
It was float around the Internet

for a while.
OK, so this the demon fairy.

I don't know a lot about the
story behind it, but this turned

out to be the remains of a bat
that had some sticks and other

stuff glued, glued to it but the
sign was behind was not behind

it.
But he was involved in this.

And then in 2017 he appears on a
show called Unearthing Nasca The

Nasca.
This show was put out by a

company called Gaia TV.
And Gaia TV is they're known for

their conspiracy theory related
shows.

So it's like a streaming service
online, right?

But they got started out as like
a yoga pants equipment company

or something like that.
Like they got, I don't know how

they got into like video
streaming, but they did.

So that's Jaime Wassan, right.
And we're going to talk a lot

about unearthing Masca.
But that's Jaime Wassan.

Next up is, and I might murder
this name.

I'll do my best.
But Jose de Jesus, Zalisa

Benitez.
He is the director of the

Scientific Institute for Health
of the Mexican Navy.

OK, He was also the doctor that
was in charge of the Roswell

Slides project.
He's also the doctor in charge

of the mummies in the Nasca in
the unearthing Nasca show.

So he's got a long history with
Mossan and not good things.

Then we have Constantine G
Karaktov.

He is the deputy director or was
the deputy director of the Saint

Petersburg Research Institute of
Physical Culture in Russia.

He is also known as the Russian
scientist who photographed

souls.
He created a camera that

photographs also what they call
the a curling device.

I I believe that's correct.
He's one of the main scientists

in unearthing Masca.
How he knows anything about

mummies, I don't know.
And then we get maybe one of the

most important players of this
who is suspiciously absent.

He he stays out of the limelight
a lot on this.

His name is Thierry Yamin.
He's a French explorer, possibly

the founder of, but definitely
the director of the Incari

Institute in Peru.
This is an archaeological

Research Center in Peru, like a
non governmental Research

Center.
He's labeled A pseudo historian

and this is mostly because he's
searching for the lost city of

Piatiti, which is like this
South American utopian society

that disappeared.
So there's really nothing wrong

with that.
I mean, if he thinks that's

there and he's going out to find
it that.

Sounds pretty cool, yeah.
Maybe pseudo historian because

there's no real evidence of it,
but OK.

But he's also the contact point
and the originator of the story

behind unearthing Nasca.
Oh.

My God, this gets it just keeps
getting there.

Like the rabbit hole keeps
getting deeper and deeper and

deeper.
So unearthing nasca web series

like all the way.
So remember back in like mid

2000, tens to mid 2020, there be
shows that had web series but

one episode might be 5 minutes
long, one episode might be 30

minutes long.
They kind of just went by what

the content was and that's what
this was put out like.

It was mostly updates.
One might be 5 minutes, one

might be 3 hours.
So you know, you didn't know

what you're getting.
So I found I had a free seven

day trial to Gaia through Amazon
Prime.

So it was like sign me up, I'm
going to watch this, I'm going

to just binge watch this entire
thing.

So that I sat down for one day
and I just watched this entire

show.
The story of it is that now

remember, everything here has
got to be colored by the fact

that Gaia TV is very conspiracy
theory related and you got to

look at the credibility of these
four main players and all this.

So Mossan is approached by
Thierry Yamin, who was

approached by this man named
Mario who had uncovered some

very unusual mummies.
Somehow Mossan puts together

this international team of
scientists, archaeologists,

journalists and Gaia.
Right.

And they go down to Peru and
they they go, we're going to

figure out what's going on.
They start to get a hold of

these proving mummies.
So the first one they get mummy

#1, nicknamed Maria.
Now, a lot of the information I

gave you on these mummies,
because this was an entire

series I went through, I've
taken some of the information.

They found it towards the end
instead of doing this whole

chronological thing because
there's too much information.

So some of this wasn't found
immediately, but I'm going to

give you the rundown.
And so Maria was a female,

approximately 5 foot 6 to 5 foot
seven in the fetal position.

She was found an elongated
skull, but very human like aside

from there was no ears.
Now the elongated skull isn't

immediately a shock because
there are South American

cultures that would do body
manipulations to elongate the

skull, so that's not that
strange.

But what is strange is the hands
had three fingers each.

The fingers, instead of like the
three flanges, the three

segments that we have had six
segments each.

They were really long.
The toes were the same way, it

was covered in this white dust
or paste, and that's not normal

for mummies of that time or
area.

There are pictures of other
other mummies that were found

that were wrapped more like a
traditional mummy.

Also is not typical because
there were still organs in

place.
There was evidence the brain,

liver, spleen, intestine were
still intact.

So it's like this person died
and was just mummified kind of

Egyptian style in the way that
there was a herbs packed into

the body had a very human like
skeleton aside from the hands in

the feet, the finger bones like
all that were way more robust.

They did DNA testing and
confirmed that it was female.

Carbon 14 testing confirmed it
was about 1700 years old.

So this is two different tests.
So the Masan's group and Gaia's

group were doing their own tests
independently and a lot of their

information was matching up.
So I have here 245 to 411 AD

like ones said 249 to 410 and
one said like 2:45 to 4:11 so

this like the entire about 1700
years.

But they also found that of the
DNA they they could test, about

25% of it was human DNA, but not
modern human DNA.

No DNA that they could sample
matched modern human.

So that's kind of strange.
They tested all parts of the

mummy.
Again, this is according to what

the show is telling you.
Tested all parts of mummy.

Hands, feet like shoulder.
Tested from multiple spots and

verify that every part of that
mummy is 1 being, they thought

maybe the hands are chopped off,
they put something else on.

All that.
No, it's one complete being

really, really strange.
Really well done.

Like when you look at this,
you're like, this is amazing

information.
But they they did.

So they found human DNA that was
like 1700 years old.

So if if you, if you if.
One would think that.

You know, they're trying to pull
a fast one.

Then they actually had to
desecrate some something to get

this to get this you know the
material like the bones and the

organs and so go ahead and you
got to you got to start to think

is the are the samples they're
sending out the samples that

they're taking from these
mummies.

Like there's a lot of questions
about the authenticity of any of

this.
But the fact that Gaia seemed to

be doing their own independent
research into this and it was

matching up like they were
there.

Like there was like a director
of programming that was there

And the woman who was hosting it
she wasn't just like a host in

the studio talking about she was
like on site.

She was watching them take these
samples.

She was there at the research
centers when they were doing the

testing.
She was watching the results

come out like if this is that
was host and everybody is in on

it and it's.
I mean, it's not impossible but

it was done really well.
So like when you're watching

this, like this is is this real
information?

Is this really happening?
It gets crazier.

So this 15 foot seven.
So this is not what we saw in

Mexico.
Not at all.

Mummy #2 appears and I'm giving
you this information in the way

the show presented it.
They get the first mummy they're

waiting on test results.
Mummy #2 appears The Mummy #2,

the nickname Victoria.
Victoria has no head.

It's in a seated position, kind
of like it was sitting on the

floor.
Its knees are bent, Its arms are

on its knees.
It's about 18 to 24 inches, so

more like what we saw in the
Mexican congressional hearing.

It's got the same white powder
on it, three fingers, three

toes.
They do the scans.

Its skeleton is way simpler than
Maria.

It's not human at all.
It appears to have arteries in

veins, tendons, its skin was
lizard, like they dated it.

It was younger than the first
mummy, about 1000 years old, not

1700.
Has really small chest cavity

and they're looking at this one
and they're all going like on

camera.
They're all like, no, like, what

is this?
This has got to be like a doll

or it's got to be like put
together, like what is going on?

That's what they're getting this
thousand year old information

out of it now.
They didn't pull any DNA out of

this one.
They all they're saying is that

the tests they got, the samples
it got were 1000 years old.

As they're waiting on the test
results from this one, mummies 3

and four appear.
These ones are nicknamed the by

the team nicknamed Alberto and
Josephina.

That's very remember this.
In the show, the team nicknamed

Josephina and Alberto as mummies
3 and four.

Again, they're small, 18 to 24
inches, covered in the white

powder.
Humanoid but not mammal.

The female appears to have eggs,
3 eggs inside a apparent birth

canal and this weird metal plate
on his chest.

The jaw they find because these
ones do have their heads.

It's got a jaw, but it's not
like ours.

It's like a little flap and they
said there's no way could chew,

but it could swallow.
According to their scans, the

bones all seem to fit nonhuman
skeleton.

You know how we've got like 2
bones in our forearms and two

bones in our legs, right?
One bone in the forearm, one

bone in legs, very similar to
what we're seeing in Mexico.

Long legs, lot of ribs, like a
lot of ribs like from the

shoulders all the way down to
the the pelvis is ribs and they

kind of go across the body, no
nasal or sinus cavities.

And it's got this weird small
chest cavity like both of them

as they're looking at those
mummies 5-6 and seven show up.

These ones are nicknamed the
Family, small 18 to 24 inches.

They look like Victoria, Alberto
and Josefina.

They can't do a lot of testing
on it because they're very

brittle.
And the the interesting part of

these is they all look similar
but not the same, and not in

like a weird way, but what you
would expect in species.

Like if you put six humans
together, you tell that they're

all the same species, but they
all going to look a little bit

different.
It's just weird, but they look

like these Mexican mummies.
But yeah, you just kind of go,

oh, these are the same ones,
right.

Then there's a tease.
This is like, at the end of the

episode, there's a tease of
another mummy.

And I'm like, okay, here comes
another mummy.

I can't wait to see this one.
The next episode starts.

It has nothing to do with the
mummy.

It is July 11th, 2017, and it is
a press conference in Lima,

Peru.
It starts off, they show

everybody there.
You got Masan, you got croc Tov,

you've got Benitez.
You've got people from Gaia.

You've got other doctors and
scientists there.

Other archaeologists got all
these people suspiciously

absent.
Thierry Yamin, He's not there.

And they asked him about this.
Where's Thierry?

He says, I don't know, he's
supposed to be here.

We want him to be here.
This is his thing.

This is like, he brought this to
us.

He's not here for the press
conference And somebody, one of

the reporters like, oh, I saw on
this social media that he wasn't

feeling well today.
And Musan kind of says, yeah, he

did say something yesterday.
He didn't feel good.

So you think, OK, he just didn't
feel good and he's not there.

This series is more focused on
Musan than on Thierry.

But it's clear that Thierry is
the guy.

He's he's the one with the
contacts, the people with the

mummies.
Him and his in Kari Institute

are the ones that are getting
all the tests put together and

he's not there for it.
It's very strange, but this

press conference goes on and
Mussan is clearly not happy.

The proving government, the
Ministry of Culture, not

interested at all.
They don't want anything to do

with this.
He even goes so far.

He like he tries calling them.
They won't return his calls.

He goes to the Ministry of
Culture to go speak with them

and they're like, send us an
e-mail, get out.

They want nothing to do, though,
so they actually they're.

Just so I'm on sorry, just so
I'm on the same page though

these are all, no one claimed
they're just mummies, right?

That's how they're presenting
them is just as Ruvian mummies.

Just as mummies.
Yeah.

So even in this press
conference, like no one has said

the word alien.
I think Guy at one point they

just they look and they go these
are very strange could they be

alien and they just ask the
question but they never labeled

them as alien.
They're bizarre.

They're very weird.
In this press conference they

they talk about that.
Right.

So he's he's mad that they're
they're dismissed this out of

hand.
He's got Peruvian journalists

there.
He's like you guys talk to your

government get them involved.
They're telling him we don't

care that like these are, this
is garbage.

It's basically you have arts and
crafts on your hand.

Do what you want.
So this is 2017, Musan says

right in the press conference.
I could take these to Mexico

today and like as soon as you
said that, I'm like, well, put

that in the notes because the
Peruvians think it's it's crap.

They don't know anything to do
with it.

He is very clear that he is not
all in aliens on this, very

clear of this states several
times that he's only relaying

what he's been told.
What you know from Thierry, from

the people that are handling the
mummies.

He's like, I'm just a
journalist.

I'm giving you the information.
He's using words like

reportedly, apparently we were
told he's not.

He does not appear to be
convinced of any of this.

He just wants the information.
You look like you have something

to say.
It's a lot of information.

Right.
So he talks briefly about this

new mummy.
They they call it wiwitty.

It's it means baby.
And immediately musan's like,

listen, we're doing our, we're
doing the respect that we should

do to test this.
There's issues immediately.

He's like there's suspicions
about this one and all he'll say

is that they're very skeptical
because of situations.

I I kind of got that one out.
They they've got they've got

trust issues on this one because
of situations.

But he won't see what they are.
They then sit down at a table

and he looks at at these
Peruvian journalists and he says

challenges ask us questions tell
us how we're wrong.

Like we don't know what these
are.

We don't know if they're if
they're they're fake, if we

found some offshoot of humans
that we've never seen before.

If it's just some weird, like
genetic, I cannot talk.

What's going on?
An anomaly.

Some genetic anomaly.
We don't know.

If it's bullshit, we don't know.
Give us read, give us things to

look for.
Help us get this out there.

Have other people look at it
like we're ask us questions.

We're here for your questions.
And they give him a few

questions.
They asked about the the tribes

that used to like, do the like
the the cranial manipulation and

stuff of that.
He's like that's a possibility

is like, but our DNA test isn't
isn't showing that they're

human, modern human at all.
Like is this some kind of mix of

Neanderthal and something else
like they're not saying aliens

at all.
They show a little bit of him at

the Ministry of Culture and them
kind of throwing them out.

And I think it's interesting
because in in the one shot

they're kind of doing a voice
over and they just kind of have

them in the background, like as
they're leaving.

And Musan makes this gesture as
someone's like kind of like why

aren't you talking to us?
And he just makes the money,

right?
So now we start to get into the

the title show me the money,
show me.

It's all about money.
What's going on here?

So we go into our our next
episode, which is about this

baby, the baby mummy they find,
it appears appears to be a baby.

It's in the fetal position.
Its face is kind of its face is

kind of down.
It's more similar to the first

mummy they find.
It's more human than the the

little ones because it's
actually bigger than the these

little small alien mummies
they're finding.

But it has three fingers and
three toes, and I have a

question mark after that because
they can't really tell.

It looks like 3-3 fingers and
three toes.

And there's like this weird
wool, like its head is down,

there's there's wool under its
face, like holding it up.

And they they get a sample of
this, but you never hear about

this again.
They never mention anything

about this wool.
And I think when I tell you

what's up with this, this one,
you'll understand why.

So there's a few more episodes
after this, but it's basically

all the information has gave you
kind of filters in.

And then it's the end of season
one.

And I'm like, all right, let me
have a snack and I'm in for

season 2.
There is no season 2.

It ends, the story ends, and I'm
like, okay, what did I just

watch like, this is crazy.
If this is real, if this

information that they're showing
is real, then these mummies

aren't human.
What are they right, the three

like?
I mean, dude, when I tell you

the scans, they show it is it?
They're like, look the the hand

comes, the arm comes down to the
hand and there's the five

metacarpals like you would
expect to see in a palm, but

they fuse down into three.
There's ligaments, right?

This stuff all matches.
It's it is really well done.

To see and that's where I I
start to think, well, if you're

going to take scans and there's
actually going to have people

looking at these things, how
would you recreate a body that

accurate like there has to be or
they're really smart people,

really smart cons if they if it
is a con, like how would you be

able to do that.
And fool people, that's what.

That's where my head goes.
That's where the skeptic Well,

here's where my brain went.
After all of a sudden, it's like

there's no Season 2.
The press conference.

Was it real?
Did Gaia just rent a conference

room somewhere, stage it to look
like because there weren't a lot

of people there, stage it to
look like they had a press

conference.
Put it on the show.

That's a possibility.
You've got all these, the

doctors and all this.
They're talking about something,

but are they paid or do they
even know?

Are they even doctors?
If we have no information on

these people, we don't know.
There's a lot of things.

This was 2017 or 8017. 2017 But
wait, there's more.

All right, I do find unearthing
Nasca the complete story.

Now this might be available on
Amazon Prime because I I was

able to watch an Amazon Prime on
earthing Nasca the complete

story and I'm like is this a
similar story is it's just

something else.
It's like 2020.

I'm like, I'll start watching it
and I'll say it is it's the

story.
It's this story.

What it appears is that they
started season 2 like they

started filming and something
happened where they they

couldn't get enough it just
wasn't working.

So they just never had the
Season 2.

What they did is they created
the special, the complete story.

So it's basically a recap of the
original series with some

additional very important
information.

Now, like I said, the original
series, it was there was like

the host, this woman, I think
her name was Melissa Tittle.

Turns out she's like a former
FBI agent, right?

So she's got some credentials,
right?

She's done other shows, a lot of
them with Gaia, a lot of them

focused on aliens, ancient
aliens, things like that.

This new show though, she's
shown but more in the roles that

she was doing on camp, like with
the team.

She doesn't.
There's no hosting with her in

this one, It's just narrated by
somebody else.

What we find out very early is
that Mario, the man who

contacted Thierry Yamin, who
started all this, is a grave

robber.
A known grave.

No, the proving government
wasn't interested because grave

robbers.
He's a grave robber, right?

They also say now this is Pay
very close attention to this.

One of Mario's associates sent
the proving government a letter

with photos before any of these
other people got involved.

The Peruvian government got it.
And he went.

You've desecrated these graves,
You've manipulated these bones

like, we can see where you've
ripped fingers off of hands.

It's just like hands and skulls.
Like this is all bullshit.

We want nothing to do with it.
So when Jaime Musan the the the

hoax adjacent guy who's when he
goes them, he's like, hey, look

what I found.
There's like, get out of here,

right?
It makes sense.

This guy's been on Mexican TV
for 40 years talking about UF

O's and aliens and all kinds of
crazy stuff.

He's been involved in all these
hoaxes.

Of course, they don't want
anything to do with it.

That's what would make sense.
They never say this, but they

lead you to that.
The baby mummy, the witty, the

one that they had their
suspicions about.

It turns out that there was
clear evidence that bones have

been removed from the hand.
So that's why they were like, we

don't, we don't really want to
talk about this.

We're going to show it, but we
don't want to talk about it.

They find that cadmium chloride
has been found in the white

powder.
Now again, this white powder

isn't typical for mummy.
It's not typical in the area.

And the white powder turns out
to be what they call

diatomaceous earth, which is
basically like fossilized algae.

It does, They use it in like
water filters, it's used.

In paint it can be used to as
like a desiccant right?

So it would make sense it would
be used.

But cadmium chloride doesn't
occur naturally.

It has to be.
Manufactured right.

So we're and and they didn't and
I don't think they were making

it 1000 years ago, not until the
1950s maybe they were sometime

there it goes yeah right.
So they're like okay what how it

was there.
They kind of start floating this

idea of was it like a more
advanced society?

They'd never really come up with
it.

They don't put a label on it.
My thought is these mummies are

1000 and 1700 years old, but
they were manipulated 100 years

ago and then put back in these
places with this cadmium

chloride and this diatomaceous
earth to make them appear old to

make it seem.
Like, so it's kind of like a

long like somebody, yeah, they
were someone did this

intentionally.
It's what it seems like, right.

So and now the new series or the
the special really kind of

skirts around Masan and they pay
more attention to Karaktov,

right?
This Russian scientist, he's the

one who's explaining stuff.
He's the one who's talking about

all these results.
He's the one that's got all the

information.
It turns out that they wind up

getting Mario to take them to
The Cave.

They finally get him to
cooperate.

He takes them to The Cave, that
he's been showing pictures and

he's been telling them about
this place, right?

There's pictures of sarcophagi.
There's like he says it's like

this big citadel, and there's
these gates and there's these

catacombs and I, they show
pictures of the of the like,

what he's finding.
But it could very easily just be

a couple rocks on top of each
other with a camera really close

to make it look like it's in a
cave.

That's what it looks like, Like
it's just a forced perspective.

They get to this cave between
Nasca and Palpa, Peru, out in

the mountains, and it's just a
hole inside the mountain.

It's like 10 feet deep.
It's the guy crawling.

It's just a cave.
It's just a cave, right?

And they're all very
disappointed.

They're like, this is not what
we were told.

There's none of the none of
these sarcophagia.

You couldn't put this
sarcophagus in here if you

wanted to.
But it does look like there were

bodies removed from there.
And there is this diatomaceous

earth all over.
This powder is everywhere.

So they're like, maybe, maybe he
was just talking it up.

So we listen to them, but this
is where we really found them.

They get more DNA test results
back.

And they they're they want to
test the baby against the Maria

to see if they were related.
Turns out they don't think they

were.
They only say it's probable they

were the same species.
That's how they were.

So you got to start listening to
what they're not saying.

They have a lot of unknown DNA.
There is some junk DNA like

stuff you would expect to find
in a mummy that does like, you

know, just like dirt and stuff
like that bacteria.

But there's again no matching
DNA for modern humans.

And they tested it, the unknown
DNA against a database of

millions of specimens.
They then had this very

interesting, weird, but
interesting segment where the

woman who was the original host
is doing an interview with a

spokeswoman from the Ministry of
Culture of Peru, and she asks

her, why don't you guys want to
be involved in this?

Like, we, we don't even know
what they are.

This is cultural to your your
people.

Why don't you want to be
involved?

And this woman says, well, we've
seen the evidence, we've looked

at the pictures on the Internet.
It's clearly faked.

There's been no test run,
there's been no scans done,

There's been no scientific
method used nothing.

And the woman doing the
interview kind of gets us like,

well, we've got test results.
We've got the scans.

We've done.
This is what we've done.

We'll give them to you.
Are you interested now?

And this spokeswoman just circle
talks right out of it.

She's like, we don't know where
these things were found.

We think they're grave robbers.
We it's not very likely we'll

get involved.
And that's the end of the

interview.
And I'm like, what?

OK, this is weird.
Like if you.

Even if it's not, wouldn't you
be interested in proving it

wrong?
Like as the government Look,

give us everything you got.
Give us the bodies.

We'll test them.
We'll tell you exactly what they

are.
I I would be I would want to if

it is grave robbing and let's
say mutilation of of whatever of

a corpse or whatever I'd I'd
want to like bait them in and

and and get them.
It's like okay you did this or

you know that that's what I
would do.

I'd be.
I'd be trying to to hook them at

least to find where.
They got the bodies from, you

know, so you could at least put
them to rest something.

My conclusion is it on this is
that she was not from the

Ministry of Culture and this was
a just a ploy like they're

trying to advance the story
because there's no, we have no

way of knowing like just a
spokesperson for the Ministry of

Culture prove.
How are you going to prove that

if this interview was done in
2017 and now it's 2020, Or who's

going to know?
Who's going to look at this

woman and know who she is and go
check with the Ministry culture

to see if that's this is the
person?

I did I did take a look I think.
I think that's on prime the the

the what you mentioned the the
the program for for right now I

it it feels to me that no I
don't I can't remember when but

years ago.
It's been a while since I

listened to like terrestrial
radio, but at one point I was

listening to same thing
everybody else is on the radio D

J's and years ago and it might
might might be 10 years ago,

maybe a little around there.
There was three or four people

in this little.
Crew this morning crew and the

one guy believed in mermaids
because he saw a documentary on

mermaids and and I was like
clearly like this, like you

can't, you're not going to just
fool anybody.

But it was one of these
documentary style programs, so

it was completely fake.
But they made it look like it

was completely real.
And that's what this feels like

to me.
It's like it almost feels like

that they were all doing this
and it should have been a

documentary style something and
it kind of got out of control or

they just they realized they can
make more money off it.

But it's going on for years at.
This point, three years, that's

what I'm saying, so.
Well, it makes me wonder if if

they're if these people are
getting paid to talk or

somebody's paying them to do
research.

Yeah, right.
So and that that becomes obvious

here in, in a little in a little
while.

So they walk out of this meeting
and they're like, we got to get

these mummies.
We either got to take them to

the government or we got to go
get more official tests done.

We got to go to them.
We got to show them that we have

these things.
They go to Thierry and they say,

hey, look, we need those
mummies.

And Terry's like, they're gone,
they're missing.

Like they're missing.
That's a question.

So it looks like maybe that's
where they they were like, look,

we're not getting anything else
for season.

Then he walked away.
It's now 2018 before they get

the mummies back.
So this Mario, he just moves

them because he must have known
they're talking to the

government.
And he's like, I'm a grave

robber.
I don't, I don't want to be

around these people.
So you just, we just took off.

So you get Maria and Josephina.
So the original tall mummy and

the short mummy that's got 3
eggs inside like the little one.

And they do, they're like, we
got them now this is Kraktov.

And I think Musan is involved in
this but it's mostly Kraktov and

the the woman from Gaia, they're
they're kind of talking about

this and they get these super
detailed scans like this is the

only this might be the last
chance we get.

So they use these super like
nano wave layered scans and what

they find out is that Maria, the
tall mummy appears to have been

attacked.
They find tooth marks in the in

the skeleton and they can also
tell with the scan that the

there were some organs but the
ones that were missing appeared

have been ripped out.
So it's like it got like she got

attacked by an animal.
The skull was similar to humans

but different in the the
auditory canal appear to be

different but that could have
been from the manipulation of

the skull but the bones seem
more hollow now.

This is where you start to hear
people say, oh, they were bird

bones and all that.
But looking at the scans as

they're showing them, it's not
like bird bones, but they're

just like there was more room
inside.

They were just, it's like like
differently structured bones.

That's the, that's the big one.
And then they do Josefina and

they take this mummy and they do
a 3D recreation recreation of it

to see if it could even walk
like is this, is this thing even

real?
So they put it together and they

realized that it could, but it
had a really limited motion.

So the hands, like the the bone
structure of the hands and

everything were really simple,
only that one bone in the

forearm, like it could move, but
its hands would only be able to

do this.
Like we have all this

articulation, but it would just
be very simple.

But it was a really small being.
But they're like, yeah,

technically this would work if
it was alive.

They then do this really
detailed scan on where the eggs

are and they're able to
determine that they are eggs

because they're like, look, this
is the metal plate and you can't

see anything behind it.
These you can actually see

through, but they're like kind
of calcified.

But when you say the metal plate
is that grafted, or is it like a

decorative piece?
It depends on when in the series

you hear them talk about it.
At one point they say it's not

grafted in the skin, and then at
another point they say it's

under the skin, right?
So the story starts to fall

apart the more if you watch the
whole thing and you binge watch

it where you remember what they
said a month ago, it starts to

fall apart.
But they looking at these eggs

and they see signs of a fetus.
In the egg.

Now the egg could be from
anything, and they don't really

say.
They don't try to make any kind

of determination of what the
fetus might be, but just that

they see signs of a fetus.
Then immediately there's

approving governmental meeting.
They now want to be involved.

They get everybody together at
all of them.

They give all of their
testimony, all their scans,

everything they have and they're
like getting.

But we want you to be involved
in this.

We need your support and this,
this is in your country do help

us out.
And the guy who's running the,

you know, the governmental,
there's a whole thing.

He kind of gets his stuff
together and he fixes his

microphone.
He goes get the fuck out.

He doesn't say it like that.
When he basically is throws him

out, he's like, this is all
bullshit.

I want nothing to do with it.
And they all walk out like, what

do we do now?
So the last thing you hear in

this documentary is they they
get the mummies from Mario.

They get five of them.
Maria Josephina, Alberto,

Victoria and the baby.
And they give them to the

University of San Luis Gonzagas
de ICA in Peru.

They're yours.
You figure it out and they walk

away.
Wow.

And then I start thinking, is
any of this real?

Like, is any of this even?
Was this just a really clever,

like you were saying
mockumentary.

So I'm like, all right, let me
think back about all the stuff

that happened that I just saw.
The names of the places are

real.
So I start looking up the names

of the universities.
There is a University of San

Luis Gonzaga de ICA in the in
the city of ICA.

It does exist.
There is where they they had

their test results, the Carbon
14.

Done the the university?
Or is it the Mexican Autonomous

University of Mexico?
However it's worded, it does

exist.
What about this press

conference?
That was really weird to me.

If it was a press conference,
there's got to be a record of it

somewhere.
So I start searching for this

press conference, sure enough,
and I don't find good

information about it.
I think it was the hit I found

was from the Sun back in 2017.
But everything you search for

right now is showing you this
congressional hearing.

So it was hard to go through all
the stuff.

But I do find an article from
the Sun in 2017 talking about

the mummies of Peru press
conference in Lima.

On that day by those people, the
press conference happened.

Yeah, exactly.
So this was actually happening

at this time.
Now hold on a second, they said

that Tierney Yamin posted on the
social media that he didn't feel

good on that day.
Let me go look this guy up.

So I go to Facebook and I look
up Tierney Yemen and I find him

and it's the guidance on the
show.

Like it's the picture is the
guidance on the show.

There's current post on there.
There's post between 2017 and

now.
I go back and look and I don't

find the post about him not
feeling good, but at that time

he is posting stuff about these
mummies and you can't fake that

on on Facebook.
You can either have the post

there or you can take them off.
You can't redate them.

So if if this is a con, this is
a long con to leave this stuff

up and continue to post as this
guy on Facebook.

Well, like how it's fascinating
if you're going to have a long

con that's been that could
possibly be going back even if

you say 50 years or more, like
even if you're talking about

taking bodies and altering them
and then you just continue to

revisit it.
That takes a lot of patience, a

lot of patience.
But now I'm looking at all this

information and I'm, I'm kind of
like, is this real?

Is this real?
Did this really happen?

Are these mummies really like
some unknown specimen?

Right.
And I'm thinking about it.

I'm just sitting here and I'm
thinking, and I'm looking at,

like the current news articles
of the pictures of these

mummies.
And I'm looking at them and

going, those aren't the same
mummies.

They're really close, but
they're not the same mummies.

These things we're seeing in in
Mexico right now are real stiff.

They're like these ones that
they're looking at in the show.

There's like spinal curvature.
Like you can see, like there's

like, yeah, their arms are to
their sides, some of them, but

they're not like when they pick
them up, they're not like a

stiff.
It's like you're holding a

little body.
There's a curve.

There's like, these aren't the
same mummies.

What the What's going on here?
So I've.

I've verified that all these
places exist.

I've verified that the people
exist.

I scroll back up the top of You
means Facebook page because

something caught my eye.
Press release.

So this is right after the
congressional hearing, right?

So we have the hearing.
Two bodies are shown now.

That's all I know.
From what I understand.

They show up at the end and
they're like, hey, we got

aliens.
But immediately after, two

things pop up, the National
Autonomous University of Mexico.

They speak up and I'm like, oh,
here we go.

They're going to be like, we
don't know who these people are.

We never any sets.
They republished a statement

from 2017 stating that they
worked on these, on the samples.

They verify that it was 1000
years old.

They say, look, all we did was
verify the date.

That's all we did.
We don't know where they came

from.
And the sample, yeah, the sample

that they got, we verified the
samples around 1000 years old.

And that's it.
We don't know where they came

from.
We don't know what they are.

All we know is yes, we did.
So the tests did happen of

something, right?
Of something.

We don't know why, but tests did
happen.

So again, we're talking about a
pretty big con here.

Teary you mean?
Sounds like a move.

Yeah.
Tiri Yamin on his Facebook page.

I'm going to read this.
This was translated from French.

I did see that he put up a like
a better worded English one of

this, but this is the first one
I saw and he says hello.

You are the very many to contact
to contact us about the

presentation of two alleged
reptile humanoid species

specimens last Tuesday to the
Congress of Mexico.

These two specimens are
reportedly discovered in Nasca

in 2017 and then shipped to
Mexico several months ago.

On behalf of all the members of
the INCARI Institute, we would

like to express our deepest
disagreement over this

outrageous situation.
Without having a chance to

examine these two alleged
nonhuman mummies, we cannot

verify their authenticity.
The only mummified bodies we can

give a blatant opinion about are
Maria, Bovita, Albert Josephina

and Victoria.
These mummies are currently at

the University of San Luis
Gonzagas de ICA and have been

studying them and analyzing them
since 2019.

Reminder, we never claimed this
is important.

We never claimed the mummies in
question of alien origin.

For this, we completely rely on
the many analyses conducted

worldwide by the Incaria
Institute and its partners

between 2016 and 2019.
Based on these analyses, the two

specimens studied were
classified of unknown origin.

The Incaria Institute does not
go beyond this and prefers to

leave.
Leave that to the specialists of

these issues to discuss the
origin without prioritizing A

hypothesis.
The two specimens presented last

Tuesday at the Congress of
Mexico were left from Peru

completely illegally, without
any authorization from the

Peruvian authorities.
These mummified bodies are part

of Peruvian culture.
Their place should be in the

local museum in Nasca, not
Mexico, he denounces.

What happened at the Mexican
Congress?

Nope, not involved, he says.
Smart, smart.

Now, what about our four main
players at this point in 2023?

Jaime Wassan?
Well, he's at this congressional

hearing.
You've got Benitez, He's at the

hearing.
You've got Croquetov.

He's vanished off the map. 2020
was the last I've seen anything

from him that may have something
to do with the situation in

Russia, with the war and all
that.

Don't know tierium in.
Well, we'll get to him after we

talk about what happened in this
freaking congressional hearing.

So I'm thinking I've sat through
a couple of these this season

already so I'm like I don't even
know if I can find this.

Like does Mexico make theirs
publicly available?

Can I find the actual, Can I
find a transcript, something,

anything I find and I'll put
links to all the stuff in the in

the show notes but I find airing
of it looks like somebody maybe

pulled off their DVR and put up
on YouTube.

I couldn't find anything
official, so after a little bit

of messing around, I realized I
can just have Google auto

translate the closed captions.
So I'm like, all right, I guess

I'm, I'm reading this Spanish
language congressional hearing

this is going to be fun.
So I turn it on and I'm looking

at the screen, but I'm looking
at the bottom and this guy's

talking and he's like doing the
opening comments.

This guy sounds familiar.
I look up on the screen.

Who do you think it is?
My name is son is running the

congressional hearing.
He's not just.

How is he running?
I have no idea.

He is running the Mexican
congressional hearing right now.

We start, see why Ryan Graves is
like, this is a stunt.

He's he's running the freaking
thing.

He's not a guest.
But it's a.

It's an actual, but it's an
actual government, actual

government.
Mexican congressional hearing.

He is running it.
So he initially talks about.

Now again, I I will say this
about Mossad.

I don't think he's particularly
a bad person.

I don't think he's the
mastermind behind any of this.

I think he really believes what
he's doing is helpful because

he's really passionate about it,
but he just gets into these

situations now.
This is going to be really bad

for him.
I believe this is going to be

the end of his career.
I I think so.

He talks about the US disclosure
and that Mexico should follow

suit.
He shows some footage from March

5th, 2004 of a Mexican C26A that
was followed and surrounded by

11 UAP.
Now there's some.

This has been around for a
while.

Some people say they were just
seeing the lights from oil

wells, but the government is
like, no, this is weird.

Like we know what oil wells look
like.

These were moving through the
sky.

He also shows video of these
lights that appear near Tijuana

and are fairly predictable.
And people just get ready for

them.
And when they show up to take

pictures of them and sometimes
there's four of them in square

and sometimes there's six of
them in the line.

But then US aircraft will fly in
from the this ocean and they'll

disappear.
And then they'll turn around and

fly back like they know they're
like, what is going on with

that?
Then we get into all the people

that are at this congressional
hearing.

I'm going to go through these
pretty quickly.

We got Avi Loeb, right?
He is the astrophysicist and

he's the head of the Harvard
astronomy department.

So this is you've probably seen
this guy recently.

He talks about these observation
stations they're building.

He shows a slide of Omawamawa.
Right the the that really long,

weird comet asteroid rock that
came through the solar system a

couple years ago.
He's one of the scientists is

like, that was natural.
Like there's something weird

about that.
It slowed down and it got near.

Earth, went around the sun at a
constant speed, went past us,

and then once it it was out of
our kind of range, it sped up

and left the solar system again.
Like there's something really

weird and it's been, you know,
proven that that's this, there's

something weird about it.
And Easter's talking about this

thing that's going on right now.
There is this meteor strike

maybe a year or two ago over the
Pacific Ocean.

This thing came in way faster
than it should have, like way

like faster than stars move, he
said it.

Really.
This is through.

He was speaking English, but
they were translating over it

and then it was being translated
by Google.

So some of this may not be 100%
because they turned down his

microphone.
I couldn't really hear what

you're saying.
But yeah, moving really fast,

you're finding these little
metal marbles that appeared if

they were like created really
fast and then cooled down.

OK.
I've heard of that guy.

I've heard of that.
Some of I've heard of it.

I don't know anything about it,
but again, this thing came in

really fast and the metals
they're finding don't appear to

be naturally occurring, like it
was artificial.

So he talks about that.
Then they bring up Mariano

Tello.
He's the director of the Center

for Attention to Society in
Mexico.

Whatever.
I'm not sure what that is.

Basically talks about reporting,
how reporting is being improved

and that they're getting more
than 400 reports a day of UAP.

Then you bring up Ryan Grays.
Now this is where I start.

Really start like this whole
congressional hearing starts

falling apart from me because I
know what Ryan Grays is saying

because I've listened to him
before and I can kind of hear

him over the translator and what
he's saying, at least through

the translation, then back to a
translation to English is not

what's being put up.
It's close, but their translator

is having a hard time.
So she's like and then he's like

6 points on and she's trying to
catch up.

She's just like lumping like 3
paragraphs into a sentence.

But basically what he says in
English because I can hear it

is, you know, pilots are seeing
UAP every day.

We need to start collecting
data.

The government needs to start
lessening the stigma.

This is global.
It's not just in the US, it's

all over the world.
We got to start working together

on it.
He tells his story about those

spheres, like the cubes and the
spheres.

And he says that his ASA is
seeing a huge uptick in reports

since that first congressional
hearing because people are less,

you know, weirded out about it.
Then he bring in Robert Salas

this.
You probably don't know the

name, but you'll know the story.
The Minuteman attack, The

Minuteman UFO.
He was there.

He talks about it and what he's
again, this is like a

translation.
So the translation, basically he

was convinced that he gave them
the wrong date when he filed his

report because he he told me it
was like March 24th, 1967.

His light appears over the
silos.

The computers go down right.
It's more than simplifying this.

And they call him back in like,
you sure about that date?

He's like, yeah, it was the
24th, like, you sure it wasn't

the 16th?
He's like, Nope, it was the

24th, like are you positive?
And he's like thinking about it.

He's like, yeah, because I was
here in the 16th and they go,

well then we have a problem
because it happened twice.

Yeah, so it happened twice at
Malstrom Air Force within like 8

days, 22 reports.
So his was really long and he's

an older gentleman and he spoke
really slow and I could not sit

through it with the I, I that
was the only story I got from

him.
I moved on because it was like a

three and a half hour video.
Then they bring in, they bring

this guy Julio Derwish, he is
the founder of the Association

of Observers of Unidentified
Anomalous Phenomena of pilots

and air controllers in Mexico.
That's a mouthful.

He starts off introducing
himself, and then he says I have

a telescope, I know the stars, I
know the constellations, and if

you ask me, I can navigate by
the stars.

OK, that's a weird way to He
then talks about how he's kind

of assigned himself this duty of
visiting ancient sites around

the world, and he starts to
notice that a lot of them have

had contact with other beings.
That's a statement to make,

Okay, Maybe that's a weird
translation thing.

And then he says we need to look
at things from different angles.

You have a more open mind.
Okay, he's bringing it back, he

says.
There's a lot of actual reports.

They're not taken seriously.
And then there's a quote here,

Zil paragraph, he says, and I'm
going to read this as this is

translated.
So the wording may be a little

bit different, but you ready for
this one?

This is a guy in the
congressional hearing.

Remember in the US congressional
hearing it was very fact based.

There wasn't stories.
They asked what they saw, but it

wasn't like story time.
It was very, very much fact

based.
But they were what they were

telling him.
This is like people just getting

up telling you of those stories.
So he says, I really care more

about what we do to ourselves as
humanity, what we do to our

planet.
The origin of the word human

comes from humidity.
We are 3/4 of water in 1/4 of

Earth.
Other elements we are in

proportion as the planet we
inhabit.

Each being must be composed with
the main elements of your

planet.
We, animals, plants, trees are

children of the Earth without
the Pachamama.

Gaia is our mother.
We have to take care of it and

respect it.
We are made of atoms, we are

energy and the time has come to
raise our vibration in frequency

in order to expand our
consciousness is the time to

realize we are one with the
cosmos and we are alone in the

universe.
That last sentence I think is a

mistranslation just because of
the context what we're talking

about.
But it maybe that is what he

said, that we are alone in the
universe.

But since we're talking about
UAP, seems like a weird thing to

say.
But immediately what jumped out

at me is the definition of the
word human is not derived from

humidity.
I didn't think so, no.

The word human is derived from
the Middle French word, probably

pronounced similar, humane, but
HUMAIN of or belonging to man.

And that comes from the Latin
word humanus, thought to be a

hybrid of the word homo meaning
man and hummus meaning earth.

That makes a lot more sense,
right?

Man of earth, patcha Mama is
mother Earth in Amara and

Quechua.
It means she's an Incan goddess,

either Mama Pacha la Pacha Mama
or Mother Earth.

So basically, just so you know,
that word kind of stuck out and

there was no translation for it.
And I'm like, I don't know what

that means, but I'm like, what?
What?

We got to raise our vibrations
and we're we're humidity.

That sounds dangerous.
Yeah.

And at a government hearing.
The government hearing, yes.

So I'm like, all right, they got
to turn this around.

So they bring in Enrique Kolbec,
Vorrega.

He's a Mexican air traffic
controller operator.

He mentioned some stories about
planes being forced to land by

UAP.
The one that he witnessed where

there's like 15 or 20 disks or
globes that were blocking a

plane from taking off, says that
UAP Earth danger in the skies

and the air controllers need to
be taken more seriously.

OK, we're coming back on track
here.

And then we get Andrea Perez
Zamadini.

She's the director of Commission
to study the UFO phenomena of

the Argentine Republic.
That she's very down to earth,

very much like half of what she
says, just basically says we

need better reporting.
But she's going through all

these things.
And she also says that many

reports from Argentina pilots
are discarded or met with

harassment.
So OK, we're back.

We're back to making sense.
They bring up the Yoshiharo

Asaqua, the honorable
congressman from the House of

Representatives of Japan, and
that's how they had it written

down.
So I don't know if he actually

goes by the honorable
congressman, but that's what he

said.
Now the Japanese to Mexican to

English translation was really
rough, and I feel really bad for

this guy because they weren't
ready for him.

He gets up and starts speaking.
There's no translation, there's

no one translating.
He's just talking and people are

looking around like, what's he
saying?

So I grabbed my phone and I
start just recording it so I can

translate it later.
They then bring in, they stop

them, they get the translation
booth ready, they get him going

again.
There's nobody translating, but

they turn his microphone down on
the video because the translator

should be speaking over him.
There's nobody talking and

finally she jumps in and she has
no way she's so far behind.

She's just like rattling stuff
off.

The only thing I got from my
translation was he was talking

to his Congress about UAP.
He met someone from NASA and

talked about it and they started
to tell a story about a UAP he

saw that was multi colored and
split in four pieces.

And then the translation just
went the hell that happened to

the next few people to the guy
from Brazil, Ronnie Todo Burnett

Braga.
All I got from his was that

their first report was back in
1560 and then it was just dead

air from the translator.
All I heard was, and it was you

just hear something about that
they're trying to translate, but

I'm not the microphone is dying.
And then they, they had Michael

Valiant from France, the Guy Pan
unit for National Center of

Space Studies and I think he was
talking about reporting.

But again, it was just and I had
no idea.

So also I'm like, oh, this is
the stunt.

They got the stories.
They want it from the people

they wanted to hear from.
And then everyone else was just

like good luck and that was the
hearing.

Then Wassan gets back up during
all these things, the cameras

panning over to these two boxes
on the stage look back and

forth.
And then they unveiled the

aliens and immediately you could
look at them.

They go these aren't the same
bodies that they had in in 2017,

so I didn't really watch any of
that because it was so it was

like half of the thing, Masan
says.

I think it's clear, a clear
demonstration that we are

dealing with non human specimens
and that they're not related to

any other species in our world
and that all possibilities are

open for scientific
investigation.

We are not alone.
Benita says Xrays, 3 degree

construction, DNA analysis have
been done.

I can confirm these bodies have
no relation to human beings.

Of course not, because they're
freaking dolls.

They look.
That's what they look like.

And then you think about what
you mean.

Said that these aren't the same
ones the the ones that they had

were in still in Peru.
Graves is like, this is all

joke, but what about you mean
because I find out some

information about Tierra?
You mean I think he's the

mastermind behind this?
I think the reason why he spoke

out against Musan is because
either Musan or Benitez or

someone else in that group took
his shtick.

Oh, right.
Now listen to this.

Think about you seen the video
where they they compared the

skulls to a llama skull, right?
Yes, those xrays don't really

match up with the xrays you see
in the show.

Really.
They don't really match up.

They they're similar, but it
looks like they've been edited

to make it look more fake than
it is.

Is this just another Peruvian
mummy peddler who's like, I

don't want him selling his
mumies, so I'm going to debunk

his mummies with a llama skull?
Right?

You don't know if any of these
people, people like, oh, it was

debunked by this guy.
Who is that guy?

But I still want to know where
the money is coming like.

If these people are doing all
this work, they're going to,

they have to get money from
somewhere.

Like you're not going to do all
this and you're not going to put

all this time And unless you're
like trying to sell a a book or

a movie or they do have books,
you got this this deal with Gaia

TV you've got.
Right.

Somebody bought those mummies to
send them to to the university.

Right now, Thierry, I'm in, and
This is why I think maybe he's

the mastermind behind all this.
At one point, he wanted to do a

dig at Machu Picchu.
So the Peruvian government is

like a hold on second, we have
to vet this guy, right?

They contact the French
government because he's from

France.
The French government says,

yeah, he's a French citizen.
He's never taken any.

He has no scientific
archaeological background.

He's just a guy.
Just a guy.

Don't let him dig at Machu
Picchu.

They say don't do it.
Then I find that in February

2017.
You mean uses the service called

uliliululi.com?
It's like a Kickstarter to Crown

Crown fund what's known as the
Alien Project to do research on

Peruvian mummies.
His Alien Project website has a

chronology, A Chronology of
Facts page, and it contradicts

what's told in the unearthing
that's Good show now is that

just because the show was trying
to make it more interesting?

But remember, Thierry
specifically said that he never

claimed these were alien bodies,
but in 2017 he's crowdfunding

the Alien project to get tests
done on alien mummies in Peru.

I'd love to know how much he got
just for the crowdfunding.

€40,000 just for that.
OK, 156% funded in like a couple

days.
Now his Alien project

chronological timeline says that
he knew the grave robbers had

found the site where the mummies
are since 2015.

Mario is not his contact, but
Paul is his contact as of

October 2016 and at this point
he's already examined, they say,

biological material from the
site.

So in the show, Tierri's like,
well, look, this is all new in

January 2017.
He's the associate of Mario that

contacts the Peruvian
government, right?

So he says that they they wind
up meeting Mario later.

I think it's after the show
started.

He's like, Oh no, this is the
guy who's in charge of Mario.

But it clearly states that he
went to the Peruvian government,

sent them a letter to get them
involved, and sent them samples.

He's freaking grave robber.
Then he says they finally meet

Mario.
According to the timeline, it

appears that he has possession
of several of these mummies

before Mossan and Gaia ever get
involved, right?

He's already got Maria.
He's already got Victoria.

Alberto like in in Victoria.
Those two that come as like a

pair.
They get Alberto first.

His crowdfunders name them, not.
The team, like all is on the

Internet is right there.
His alien project are the ones

who set up the press conference
in Lima they funded.

But he didn't show up.
Why?

I think he was afraid he was
going to get arrested.

I think he was up and someone
was like, what?

You're you're Terry.
Thought you were Mario.

Well, I would, yeah.
I would imagine somebody's gonna

catch on to it on his website,
on this Facebook page.

All those posts from back then
are from the Alien project, and

I just thought it was like
another website that was

reporting on it.
But none of them are available

anymore.
They're all gone.

He is the Alien project and he
is the Incari Institute and he

clearly labeled these aliens, or
he's clearly labeling these as

aliens because it's the Alien
project, right?

And on the website he doesn't
use the word alien, but all

these mummies, he's calling them
like small Gray type biological

entities, which what does that
mean?

Of course they're Gray because
they're covered in this

diatomaceous earth that no one
uses for mummies because they've

been modified.
Thierry, Yemen.

So how?
How old is he?

He's got to be in his late 50s
now, maybe 60s.

OK, but now he's running around
Peru trying to dig in Machu

Picchu to find this Pietiti,
which probably doesn't exist,

and he's funding it all.
Well, he probably with alien

noise.
I would.

I would imagine that even if he
says he's going to dig, no

matter where he's going to dig,
he already has some of these

cooked up somewhere in a cave or
or in a closet, and he's just

That's all spokescreen just to
say.

You know, look at what we found.
It's kind of ridiculous, but

it's it's amazing.
It's like a it's fascinating how

you could even manipulate this
to to the point where you're

going to be in front of the
government, but he's not.

And you're going to be able to
to.

Well, no, but that's that's what
I'm.

Saying somebody was so right
back in 2017.

There's another video on YouTube
of this guy who looks

suspiciously like the kind of
blurred out footage of Mario who

is showing these disassembled
like cut off 3 fingered hands

and these little mummy skulls
and all this and he's trying,

he's like oh I don't want
anything for them.

I will give you free samples.
You test them.

It's too expensive for me.
I think this is his.

I think this is the guy that
makes the freaking mummies for

him.
So here's the here's the messed

up thing though.
So I think either that or he's

another mummy peddler who gets
money for it.

You got Yemen who gets money for
it.

And now someone from that team
from 2017 was like, hey there's

money in this, let's run with
it.

And now they've got either they
went and found more of these

little mummies or they had
someone make them for them.

They take them to the Mexican
government.

Because remember, it wasn't that
long ago that the Mexican

president took a picture of an
elf in the tree.

That's true.
So of course they're going.

To that's very true.
I just like what could be the

like the penalty for grave
robbing you would imagine if

they?
There's got to be a way that

they could get them.
There's a high penalty for grave

robbing, but if you're making
them, there's no grave robbing

involved.
Well, yeah, but if you're if

you're grave robbing to get the
bones, there's no evidence that

they're even bones.
The guy who was in charge of all

of this testing is the same guy
who thought a mummy from a

museum was an alien back in
2016.

He is now the guy.
Because if you look at the news

now, they're talking about the
testing of these mummies.

Like Mexico is testing these
mummies now to find out their

authenticity.
You know who's in charge of

that?
Benitez, The guy from 2015 with

the freaking Roswell slides.
You can't trust any of these

people.
They're all crooks.

And here's Quorum Wassan.
Oh.

My God, it was like, I've
cracked The story of the

century, takes it to the
government.

His career is over because
someone's going to get a hold of

these things and they're going
to determine that they're either

they are human mummies or human
bones or their llama skulls or

their paper mache, and
somebody's going to jail.

I would, I would imagine, yeah.
Somebody, I agree with you

there.
Somebody's going to or they

might just cover it up because
this is a huge embarrassment.

With all of this, with all this
back story, how the hell does

the Mexican government allow
these people to run a

congressional hearing just with
the like the the the bat and the

Roswell slides and the the skin
monkey?

But you would like, you would
have to imagine that somebody

was sitting there or standing
there and they wheeled in these

things.
And they had to get checked,

like there had to be a security
measure at one point where

they're like looking at them and
somebody's like, hey, what's

this about?
Like, I don't think, you know

somebody should have been like,
hey, I don't think we should go

through you would think.
Now here's the weird thing, too.

Not at any point during a
congressional hearing did I see

a single congressman say a word.
It was all that right?

There was.
No.

So they could have just been
there and they had no idea what

was happening.
You know, they could have just

got pulled in and they're like,
what are we doing?

Like, what is what's actually
going on?

Was this even, was it just a
press conference that they're

calling a congressional hearing?
Does Mexico even have a

Congress?
They even call the Congress.

I don't know.
I don't know.

This is so freaking bizarre.
But it all comes back to the

fact that they're fake.
They're not even the real

mummies from the show.
They're they're the fake fake

mumies.
Fake.

Fake the the translation.
Like the fixed translation on

Thierry's Facebook page actually
calls them duplicates or

replicants.
Like these aren't even Oh my

God, he's like these aren't
even.

But I think.
I really think that he is like

that was his thing.
He's involved.

He's peddling these because you
know, people collect this stuff.

You know they do.
I was.

Going to say that they don't
care if they got something that

looks real enough, they can put
it in their $1,000,000 mansion

and go look, I got an alien, but
they didn't care, right?

But now he's against them
because they're taking money out

of his pocket.
Well, yeah, because that was his

deal.
He's got, he's got like a

storage container full of these
things.

He's like, how am I going to
unload these now?

Nobody wants you mean mummies
anymore.

They want Mussan mummies, no?
Right.

So that's the best part.
He's sitting there, the other

guys, what's his name massage
like?

He's like, he's like this is a
great idea.

How can I?
I don't know about that though.

I don't think.
I don't think that's.

I mean, unless he's a fantastic
actor, which is possible.

But he has a show from 2019
called Musan's UFO Files.

I watched it last night.
It's largely in Spanish and the

subtitles are so you just kind
of watching it.

It's the the worst freaking
thing I've ever seen in my life.

It is, but there's some
interesting footage, but it's so

much of it just looks so fake.
And it's it's basically like a

documentary on him and his
career.

But then they're showing these
UFO things on there because he

had the show called The Third
Millennium.

There was a UFO show and then
when that went off the air they

gave him another show called
Musan's New Millennium.

And it's just the same show.
Right.

And he's been doing this for
like he was on 60 minutes.

He's got it's he's got some
credentials.

But the guy clearly is just I I
think it may have initially

started as something like
Geraldo Rivera.

Right now Geraldo Rivera is not
an idiot.

He he, I think he's still active
in like law, I think.

I think he's a lawyer.
I know he's still, he's still

out there.
He's still like, but like what

made him popular, the Al Capone
thing, right.

I think he was smart enough to
look at that and go, this is

going to be so bad, but it's
going to get my name out there.

And it got him started.
But you don't see him doing that

stuff anymore.
You don't see him involved in

that anymore.
He he's like, you know what,

I'll just go by the name
Geraldo.

I'll put out all the stuff,
it'll make me famous and then I

can go do what I want to do.
I think he did it smart way.

I think maybe that started to
happen with Son and he just

bought into it like he never
diverged.

He was like, Yup.
I actually want to see a movie

of this.
Like, I would love to see this

whole story.
Well, let's start a crowdfunding

on you, Lulule, and we'll call
it The Alien Project Part 2.

And we'll make a fortune.
A little stick to you.

Little pop stickers?
Yeah, little bats on sticks.

It will be great.
I could see it working, but how?

My God, it's The story is more
fascinating than the actual

mummies.
And that's actually one of the

articles I found where it's like
the story on these is better

than the mummies.
But I I like just the the, the,

the human aspect of it.
Like that's where I get

fascinated.
Like how like.

Just to say you're going to con
people and kind of government or

con the whole world, but when it
gets like, how many decades has

this been going on?
Like do they just keep going?

Like, do they just wake up one
day and go, OK, what, what other

layer can we put on this?
Are they in too deep?

Like that's the other thing.
I think, like maybe like I think

that Thierry got uninvolved and
they kind of took over the whole

thing.
But then maybe, maybe they were

just happy selling mummies And
then the the Mexican government.

I mean, like I said, the the
president took a picture of a

freaking health not too long
ago.

Was he did he reach out to to
Masan and he's like, you got to

show these and he's like, no, I
don't.

And he's like, no, you got to do
this.

I don't want to.
And they're like you can go to

prison.
If you don't.

He's like and now he's just
stuck.

He's in it too deep.
He can't get out.

Is that what's going on?
It kind of it kind of like.

If you think about like the old
days, like in like like the old

movies where like you'll be
walking down the street and

they'll be like a dark alley and
somebody's got a van and be

like, hey, hey, you want an
alien, mommy?

Hey look at this one.
I got a I got a I got a 5 foot

alien buddy. 2 foot alien Mommy.
Yeah.

What do you got?
What do you want?

Yeah.
But yeah, there, I mean, there's

evidence that people like
there's videos out there of

people making these things.
So, but so many people jumped on

that debunking with the with the
llama skull.

Did you ever like, I watched
that and it's like an overdub of

a guy who's showing like the
skulls, but I can't.

Remember which one I saw?
Is it the one of?

The guy, it was something like
that where they turned it, they

turned the skull, but it doesn't
match.

See how it doesn't exactly
match, but the guy who's

overdubbing it sounds like he's
trying to impersonate George

Decai.
He's like, if you if you look at

the bone, it's clearly just
turned over and it's like what?

Like this is, this is just hokey
in and of itself.

But when they turned the bones
over show like the femur's

actually supposed to be here, it
doesn't match what they're

showing.
It doesn't line up and of

course.
So it's just it's just they're

turning.
Things off.

It's just a debunking, Yeah,
they're just debunking, Yeah.

But again, like, I took
screenshots of like, the actual

scans from the show and looked
against that video and they

don't match up.
I'm like, where'd they get

these?
Was it somebody else's mummies?

But when they take like the
llama skull and they put it over

the the skull on the X-ray, of
course it's going to look like

it fits because you're covering
the picture with a bigger skull.

It's but like I would like to
actually see these people making

these like I mean I don't care
that much like to go down a

rabbit hole and look, but like
if you're went through all this

work to try to fool.
Or like, even like, how much?

How do, like, how do they think
they're even going to fool like

either an archaeologist or like
someone who's in the Medical

Sciences?
Like, like how on earth you

could you even think that you
could take a whole bunch of

bones that don't belong to the
other.

And well, I guess it's what it
is.

It's all about the money.
Show me the money.

Yeah, it's this is all money
motivated.

They I who knows what they are?
Even if they're real, It doesn't

matter anymore because there's
so much of A of a conspiracy I

guess.
No, this is just a bullshit

story surrounding these mummies.
It doesn't matter.

No.
Is that the point?

Let's look at it from the other
other side.

Are these things real and
someone's just trying to muddy

the water so much that no one's
ever going to pay attention to

it?
Well.

They could like, well, I don't
know in the world so, but you

never know.
Like, yeah, like you would think

that I guess if it's if it's so
outrageously, if it looks so

outrageously fake, maybe people
would be like, well, you're not

going to put this out there
unless it was real because

you're not going to be able to
pull this off.

Like it's so fake looking.
It must be real, right?

It's like, well, of course it
looks fake.

It's alien.
Yeah, I the the minute I saw

those, I was like, what the heck
kind of paper mache.

It looks like carved.
It looks like something I made

in art class when I was a kid.
Like you're making it.

Just look like even if when they
had them in the boxes, like the

stuff is falling off them, like
they're just disintegrating.

But out in the real world,
they're just like turning into

to dust.
That's that.

That's what happens when you
have you don't kill in your

clay, right?
It falls apart.

Yeah.
Well, when you're storing them

in a cave, you know, and you're
putting them together and you're

like that.
That's what I would like.

I would like to know like did
they put them together and then

they put them in this cave for
like 20 years or 30 years just

to see if they could age them or
or were they like in a

dehumidified kind of facility
like I want?

I want to know the back story.
I wonder if maybe this all

started because the the timeline
from the alien project clearly

states that the first one that
was found is one of the small

ones, like the large one didn't
come around for like two or

three.
So it's completely opposite what

the show says.
But it makes me wonder if they

found one, like maybe they did
find one of these in a tomb

somewhere.
And I mean, we know that

Egyptians used to mummify cats,
and there are petroglyphs of

threefingered beings in in
ancient civilizations.

Was this some kind of like a
deity to them?

And they would make, they take
bones and they would make one

and they'd bury it with a person
to protect them or guide them,

right?
And someone finds one and

they're like, Oh my God, you
know what we could do with this?

And they just start recreating
them.

Like maybe there wasn't a real
one and it wasn't an actual

being, it was just a a Gollum.
Or what do you want to call it?

Like a think about that's a
puppet word, right?

To guide someone to their their
afterlife.

But when they once it was found,
someone was like, Oh my God,

these look like aliens.
But we found this in the well, I

guess.
If you get the right person, if

you if you found something like
that and you could sell it,

there's there's a whole lot of
people in this world that would

do the same exact thing.
Of course.

Yeah.
I mean, imagine that.

Imagine if you So what I found
is like the the Incari

Institute.
Like where you mean is like

located is about 200 miles from
the Nasca area like where they

supposedly found these.
Now that's like the difference

like from us to Pittsburgh.
Now if I thought I could go to

Pittsburgh and dig up some old
dolls that were worth that could

make me a millionaire.
Damn right I go out there and

take those things and then be
like.

Yeah, my friend Mario found.
I'm just, I'm just the

middleman.
Give me some money.

My God, I would really like to
know how much they made in

total.
It's got to be a lot.

Like, you know, like like there
has to be so much money in it

that they had, they just have to
keep going or they're paying

people off or they're, you know,
or it could be.

It could be a a a situation
where they someone is ready to

arrest them and they're like,
well, we know this is fake.

We know you're a grave robber.
But if you don't pay us off, you

know the, you know, you know, if
you if you give us some money,

we'll leave you alone.
And then they have to just keep

doing this to keep making more
money so they could pay people

off so they don't get arrested.
The Alien project in 2017 was

requesting €39,510, which is
would today would be about

$42,000.
They raised, Oh no, that's what

how much they raised.
They were asking for 29,000 so

they raised almost $42,000 of
money today.

It started in April.
It's two weeks.

They raised that much money in
two weeks.

That's that's a pretty good,
that's $40,000 in two weeks.

That's pretty good, yeah.
And then to turn that around.

You could survive on that for a
while, but imagine being able to

turn around $42,000 and turn
that into a TV show.

Right.
Well, that's the thing.

So you're turned into TV show, I
don't know if like residuals or

whatever else, but then you're
talking, you're getting money

for going to speak places books.
You know, so you you're going to

basically that's what you're
doing for the rest of your life.

I should also mention that I
reached out to the son Luis

Gozaga University, the ones
where the mummies are restored,

and asked them if they did
indeed receive these mummies, if

they have them now or at any
time had these mummies, and I

never got a reply.
I yeah, I would imagine seeing.

I'm gonna check right now, see
if.

They're they're not gonna do
they probably that all anything

like that probably just goes
into a spam folder.

Yeah it doesn't even look like
they've they've read it.

It looks like they're because I
just use Facebook Messenger like

I saw like I wasn't gonna go too
crazy on it but I said hello.

I apologize for this odd
question.

Is university now or any time in
the past have possession of the

Nasca mummies?
If So what was your conclusion?

I always find it best to get the
information like this straight

from the short source and that
was I I translate it in Google

into Spanish so they can you
know.

But I I never heard anything I
tried.

I tried.
Good try, though.

Like I I wasn't gonna go.
Crazy There might be an intern

for all.
It might be an intern looking at

Facebook message or going this
guy wants some of the bummies,

but for all I know, this
university is just another one

of Yemen's side projects it.
Could be I didn't research it

that I just know that it exists.
I don't.

I don't know anything else about
it.

It's it's like a it's like a
mastermind like I I could never

even think about the amount of
layers are that are into this

like you know about it.
I mean if you're saying that you

this guy Mario doesn't want to
give you any of these and he's

being really cage about it and
suddenly you can give five of

them to university just he's
going to get into you.

That to me says that he is Mario
and he's always had possession

of these because either he, like
I said, we're sending on his

team.
He's got a he's got a storage

container full of stuff.
He probably made in China.

I could probably go online and
find the company that makes the

Peruvian mummies real cheap.
Five cents apiece.

It's I want the one with the
three fingers.

It's such a crazy story.
So you can see how, like just

starting off, I was really just
going to look at where these

mummies came from.
Like I was going to look at the,

like just what happened
recently.

But it's, I mean, and there's
still more to find.

And I was like, I got it, I got
it back away.

I got too much, getting way too
complicated.

This is going to be a season in
itself, just to tell this story.

Oh my God, I I mean, it was
fascinating to me.

I never would have ever thought
it would be this complex.

But, but the long con, you know,
always is a good story.

It really is.
It is such a, it's such a con,

this is such a con.
And I don't know what's going to

happen now.
Like, who's actually looking at

these mummies?
Are they only going to let

Benitas be the one to charge
them?

Because if that's the case,
they're always going to be alien

mummies.
Somebody has to get a hold of

these like and say, look, maybe
Peru, because if they are

Peruvian, maybe Peru needs to be
like, hey, look, we want these

things back and then let them do
some testing on it or something.

Somebody else has got to get
their hands on these things

because it's going to be so bad.
It's going to be so bad when the

information goes out.
Marking in our calendar like 3

years from now, there might be
another story about a couple

more mummies being found.
It's Machu Picchu happening now.

They're still fine.
Like, they found skulls, like

the elongated skulls.
And people like, oh, they're

aliens.
Like, no, they're not.

They're, they're human skulls.
They were just, you know, they

they do it from birth.
They manipulate the skulls.

And like, no, they're aliens.
Like, I I absolutely think that

there's no way we're the only
living thing in the universe.

But every weird thing I see, I
don't think is an alien.

You know, of course it's when
you if it looks like an alien,

it probably isn't.
You know, there's probably an

explanation for it.
You just look at it and go, oh,

Oh no, it's just a, you know, a
turtle that decayed in a weird

way.
Yeah, there's usually something

that you could say, but like,
some people just instantly.

Like, I love the stories, don't
get me wrong, when I see them,

like, oh, I gotta look into
this, Like, I love this story,

but like, the reality of it is
probably not aliens, you know?

Probably if what's going on with
the UAPS, with all these reports

that the that all these military
people have, there's something

going on.
But I think it's very unlikely

that we're going to find out
They're like 18 inch ancient

Peruvians.
I would, I would fight friends.

I don't think that's what's
going to happen.

You know, I don't know.
I don't know what's going to

happen.
I don't know if it's are these

objects actually sentient in in
and of themselves?

Are they just, you know, remote
controlled drones from in

another dimension?
Like, who knows what they really

are?
There's clearly something

happening, but nobody's jumping.
That's now I kind of understand

the separation of UFO&UAP, You
know, it's we kind of always

were looking at as like they're
controlling the narrative.

But I think it's in a good way.
Not maybe not completely, but it

helps take the stigma away from
just jumping right to Alien.

They're just unidentified.
We don't know what they are.

I agree with you there.
Yeah, it's not.

It's not, you know it.
It doesn't necessarily have to

be creatures that landed here
from 1000 years ago or or from

the future Like I think that
there's I I think the government

definitely had their hand forced
on them to release this

information.
I think they would have if they

didn't have to.
And it still does concern me

that this is even an an actual
conversation.

Because really, if this is what
we're talking about, what aren't

we talking about?
Is this just a cover story for

something else that's has
nothing to do with

extraterrestrial or aliens?
Like there's something else that

we're hiding that we've done or
that we're going to do or that

we're trying to do that they're
like, I'll just give them aliens

for a bit and they won't even
pay attention to this other

bullshit we're doing.
That's the scary thing right

now.
It's like we got it.

We got to fill in the blank from
until football starts.

We need something else.
Let's give them aliens.

Yeah.
I wonder how long this will last

in the news cycle, this Mexican
mummy thing before people.

Cuz I mean, I don't know,
nobody's talking about the four

uap we shot down right after the
Chinese balloon that just

vanished.
And nobody.

I just think people are so
trained anymore to you look at

something and then you move on
that well.

It it's all, I don't even want
to say.

It's like smoke and mirrors
because people themselves aren't

even going to look into it.
It is the panopticon, you know?

It's the prison, the one prison
without walls you never have to

worry about.
People find the truth that they

just haven't worried about other
things right?

And we just stay, we stay in our
lanes because we picked our

teams and that's what you do,
right?

So tell them you.
Wake up, you, go to work, you,

you keep your head, keep your
head going in the same

direction.
You get mad at the other guy and

then you do it all over the next
day because, I mean, how many

times have have we heard it?
Like just recently.

There's always something that
is, you know, you got recessions

got to happen.
You can't haven't.

You can't make enough money.
You're not allowed to.

You know, like they want people
to stay in their homes.

They want the working class to
stay in their homes so that the

rich can go out and play.
They don't want to deal with us.

That's what it seems like.
So yeah.

Why throw them aliens?
Throw them UAP, go ahead.

That will keep them busy for a
while.

They won't see what we're doing
here.

And then here comes Jaime Masan
aliens.

And they're like, oh crap, what
is this?

Oh my God, He just threw a huge
monkey.

Maybe he did us a great favor by
throwing this out there.

Because maybe it might throw off
the whatever the plan actually

is.
Because now they're like, man,

he's got alien bodies.
Like how did this guy get these

things?
It doesn't matter if he made it

or not, man, That just puts such
a spotlight on things right that

we don't need.
Yeah, I'm.

I agree with you though.
It it seems like, well, not

this, but it seems like there's
so many distractions in life

anymore.
You just never know what you

should really be paying
attention to, Or you know

what's.
What's actually going on?

Because you're always trying not
to pay attention to stuff like

this or something else.
Whatever is in your echo chamber

that you live in, you know, All
right.

So I guess maybe we should wrap
this one up.

And this was a huge there was
just too much.

Like there's no way to break
this down any simpler than what

I did.
It was super entertaining, that

was.
I have to be honest with you,

because I would have never gone
down this rabbit hole myself.

I didn't.
It would have never.

It was not my intention.
I I thought this would be a fun

story to talk about for like 10
minutes and like a week later

I'm like what just happened?
Oh my God, my head hurts.

So I hope you guys enjoyed this.
In the return of Rocco to the

show, do you guys start doing
some research?

You got you got quite a story to
follow up on here.

I don't know if I can go down
this kind of a rabbit hole, but

I'll find something that was
not, again, that was not

intended to be that long, but it
is what it is.

So yeah, the episode 507 in the
books is probably, probably

could be 507 to 508, but I'm
going to do this as one one big

long episode.
We haven't done a long episode

in a long time.
And I like it because it when

it's just me talking, it's a
different show.

It's a different thing, you
know, there's having something

to bounce things against it.
It just makes it more

interesting for me and hopefully
for yeah.

Because otherwise you need that
human interaction.

Yeah, we all.
Because I if just myself, I I

would have ripped through that
in, you know, 30 minutes and it

would be so incomprehensible
because it's just so much

information.
That is my stomach.

OK.
I don't think I can edit that

out.
It's like 5:30.

I'm going to eat.
Yeah, it's time for dinner.

So thanks for listening to the
Primitive Intelligence Podcast.

Welcome back, Rocco, and thank
you.

Yeah, well, now we're back to
the same thing that we had back

in seasons one and two, because
just recently I've been wrapping

it up and just been like, see
ya, That's the end of the

episode.
But I've got no close now.

I got no way to close.
See ya.

See ya